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[Dadonkadonk]

I don't understand why Brad Smith is destined to be the #3 QB.  

http://www.nfl.com/n...ills-backup-job

They hardly used the Wildcat last year and I think Vince Young could run it just as well and maybe better than Smith.  Young can run and he would be a true passing threat.  Smith did next to nothing last year as a returner.  I would rather we keep an extra DB that can return or a younger WR than Smith.  And I would rather they trade for or grab a project QB from the waiver wire.  

Just don't see the need to keep him and his contract.  Use that money to resign Levitre and Byrd.

Please someone tell me what I am missing???

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Dadonkadonk, on 22 July 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

I don't understand why Brad Smith is destined to be the #3 QB.  

http://www.nfl.com/n...ills-backup-job

They hardly used the Wildcat last year and I think Vince Young could run it just as well and maybe better than Smith.  Young can run and he would be a true passing threat.  Smith did next to nothing last year as a returner.  I would rather we keep an extra DB that can return or a younger WR than Smith.  And I would rather they trade for or grab a project QB from the waiver wire.  

Just don't see the need to keep him and his contract.  Use that money to resign Levitre and Byrd.

Please someone tell me what I am missing???

I believe that Chixley feel they have to justify his signing last year so they won't let him go.

I agree with everything you wrote and on top of all that, there are a lot of good O and D linemen I'd like for the Bills to hold onto.

Then you add the fact that some teams don't even carry a 3rd quarterback.

Plus Smith makes about $3.8 million for this year.
I'd shed no tears if the guy was cut but I don't think they'll do it this year.

Best case scenario: He has a great season and proves why they were right to keep him.

[Offsides Number 76]

You're not missing anything.  The Wildcat was outdated the weekend after Miami started using it (does any team pass out of that formation more than 5% of the time?), and Brad Smith, while probably a great guy, has no purpose for this team.

[Joe_the_6_pack]

Although VY can scramble he's not a wldcat back. Smith with limited off season work showed continued progress throughout the year, with the particular nice surprise as a WR at the end. WR still a very unsettled group on this team, makes him that much more valuable.
But at the end of day I agree with SJBF, the biggest reason he's safe is the guaranteed $. Given his potential and the cost of cutting and replacing him, doesn't justify the added roster depth move at the other positions the OP mentioned.

Edited by Joe_the_6_pack, 22 July 2012 - 12:48 AM.

[Dadonkadonk]

Joe_the_6_pack, on 22 July 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

Although VY can scramble he's not a wldcat back. Smith with limited off season work showed continued progress throughout the year, with the particular nice surprise as a WR at the end. WR still a very unsettled group on this team, makes him that much more valuable.
But at the end of day I agree with SJBF, the biggest reason he's safe is the guaranteed $. Given his potential and the cost of cutting and replacing him, doesn't justify the added roster depth move at the other positions the OP mentioned.

What you talking bout Willis?  I have never read his contract was guaranteed.  If so that is just plain stupid.  We just drafted a kick-off specialist because everyone just kicks the ball into the endzone and there are few if any returns.

[Joe_the_6_pack]

I questioned it last year for similar reasons, but once he's on contract with a year of some growth, it changes the calculus

Edited by Joe_the_6_pack, 22 July 2012 - 01:04 AM.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

What I was trying to express is that they don't want to cut him before the 2nd year of a 4-year contract, $15 million contract even begins.

It would be an admission that signing him in the first place was a mistake.

They'd rather try to give Smith a chance to prove that signing him as a free agent was the right move.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

What I was trying to express is that they don't want to cut him before the 2nd year of a 4-year,  $15 million contract even begins.

It would be an admission that signing him in the first place was a mistake.

They'd rather try to give Smith a chance to prove that signing him as a free agent was the right move.

Edited by San Jose Bills Fan, 22 July 2012 - 01:04 AM.

[Joe_the_6_pack]

San Jose Bills Fan, on 22 July 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

What I was trying to express is that they don't want to cut him before the 2nd year of a 4-year contract, $15 million contract even begins.

It would be an admission that signing him in the first place was a mistake.

They'd rather try to give Smith a chance to prove that signing him as a free agent was the right move.

San Jose Bills Fan, on 22 July 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

What I was trying to express is that they don't want to cut him before the 2nd year of a 4-year,  $15 million contract even begins.

It would be an admission that signing him in the first place was a mistake.

They'd rather try to give Smith a chance to prove that signing him as a free agent was the right move.

K' man thanks. After the double post think we got it this time!  

Edited by Joe_the_6_pack, 22 July 2012 - 01:26 AM.

[Superhero]

because the bills do not want him to go back to the jets

[mrags]

Without reading a single post, short answer, because people are dumb. Long answer, because people are dumb and believe the Wildcat is still....... Er, was ever effective.

That is all

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

why?  because Thigpen isn't the better option of the 2

[San Jose Bills Fan]

BillsFan-4-Ever, on 22 July 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

why?  because Thigpen isn't the better option of the 2

Then why is Thigpen competing with V Young for the number two job?

[BILLriant]

Dadonkadonk, on 22 July 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

I don't understand why Brad Smith is destined to be the #3 QB.  

http://www.nfl.com/n...ills-backup-job

They hardly used the Wildcat last year and I think Vince Young could run it just as well and maybe better than Smith.  Young can run and he would be a true passing threat.  Smith did next to nothing last year as a returner.  I would rather we keep an extra DB that can return or a younger WR than Smith.  And I would rather they trade for or grab a project QB from the waiver wire.  

Just don't see the need to keep him and his contract.  Use that money to resign Levitre and Byrd.

Please someone tell me what I am missing???

I understand what your saying, he seems below average at everything. But he saves roster spots, by having a guy that can supposedly play QB, WR, KR we can keep an 2 other players. A 3rd string QB is relatively useless anyhow, usually if it comes to that steam ends up signing a old vet off the street and your season is pretty much shot anyway. Smith was effective in the wildcat while on the Jets and Chan blames the lack of an offseason for not using it more, and he seems to like just having the wildcat formation in the playbook simply for the fact that it adds another wrinkle to the opposing teams planning. Now we have david lee who supposedly implemented the scheme with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown in Miami. If you want to see someone cut to resign players look at the 33 year old Kelsay, Dwan Edwards, or Spencer Johnson.

[PromoTheRobot]

Brad Smith was practically automatic on 3rd downs. If you don't think that is worth something, then I don't know what to think.

PTR

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

San Jose Bills Fan, on 22 July 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Then why is Thigpen competing with V Young for the number two job?

first we don't know the mental state of V Young.  If VY makes the #2 spot thigpen  is out.

[Offsides Number 76]

PromoTheRobot, on 22 July 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

Brad Smith was practically automatic on 3rd downs. If you don't think that is worth something, then I don't know what to think.

PTR

They can't direct-snap to Freddy or CJ?

If you think he was automatic on third down because he has some special third-down mojo, then I don't know what to think.

[Azucho98]

San Jose Bills Fan, on 22 July 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

What I was trying to express is that they don't want to cut him before the 2nd year of a 4-year contract, $15 million contract even begins.

It would be an admission that signing him in the first place was a mistake.

They'd rather try to give Smith a chance to prove that signing him as a free agent was the right move.

So say you made a mistake and cut him - its worse to make a second mistake by keeping him around another year and hope that it covers up your first mistake.  

They need to get Levietre and Byrd signed.

[mrags]

PromoTheRobot, on 22 July 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

Brad Smith was practically automatic on 3rd downs. If you don't think that is worth something, then I don't know what to think.

PTR

I didn't want this argument to come up again buy of course since the wildcat is still in the league it will forever be talked about. I'm not denying the fact that Brad Smith was automatic on 3rd downs at all. It's a fact. He was. But.... Just because he was automatic doesn't mean he should take up a roster spot. The unknown information is that a handoff to Fred Jackson or CJ probably would have been just as automatic as most of Smiths 1st downs were for 2-3 yards or less and Ch and Fred had over a 5 yard average. Of you want to argue that the wildcat is still effective, I will argue that Smity is not needed for the formation. Again, Cj, Jackson, Young could be just as effective in the formation. I just see having Smith in the roster as a 3rd QB. It's pointless and it's a waste of $16m of roster space. If you or anyone else had the choice of keeping Smith and letting go of Levitre or Byrd after this year, what would you pick? That's potentially what could happen at the offseason next summer. Smith had the 2nd best statistical year of his career last year..... Wow!!! The 2nd best of his career?!?! And he still was almost invisable. I can see it now, next year we keep Smith for another HOPE that he can become something helpful on offense and we end up losing Byrd or Levitre because we can fit them into the salary cap. Or if we have enough room there's always the Ralph is cheap posters again. Either way, if Smith is on the roster and we lose one of those 2, I would say that's a huge dissapointment to the team and of the F.O.  That is all.

[Doc]

So people would rather have think Thigpen as the number three quarterback, when he's useless for anything else, than have Brad Smith as the number three quarterback when he can do a lot more?