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#1 tito1

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

Who you got? This qb class looks pretty weak o me, so  curious if everyone still would want qb(with all the problems with Fitzy this year), or one of the most dominant defensive and leaders in college football this year

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:55 PM

I want the LB and then get a first or second round guy next year.  I hate the square peg into a round hole.  If the best player is a LB take the LB.  If the best player is a QB take the QB.  I'm with you, the QB's don't look like RGIII or Luck.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:08 PM

Buddy's idea of drafting a qb to be ready in 3 years is drafting Ryan Nassib in the 6th, talking him up and then cutting him at the end of training camp.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:12 PM

Even a middle of the pack/slightly above acerage starter at qb would do more for this team than a probowl LB

Edited by NoSaint, 10 November 2012 - 09:13 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:21 PM

View PostDr. Trooth, on 10 November 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Buddy's idea of drafting a qb to be ready in 3 years is drafting Ryan Nassib in the 6th, talking him up and then cutting him at the end of training camp.

Dude, you JUST used this joke in another thread. Unless its as funny as ground up and in the freezer, u just can't double dip! Scripted. Lame.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

View PostBillsBackersChicago, on 10 November 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Unless its as funny as ground up and in the freezer, u just can't double dip!

I'd bet that's not the first time you've used this line.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:36 PM

If the LB is better than the QB take the LB.  Besides, as the team is now, we need a stud LB more than a QB.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:38 PM

I'd still take Geno Smith for The Bills over any LB...Right now over any player period...We'll see I guess... B-)

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:43 PM

View Postreddogblitz, on 10 November 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If the LB is better than the QB take the LB.  Besides, as the team is now, we need a stud LB more than a QB.

I'm strongly BPA, but qb is a whole different question.

1) can any qb on the board be a franchise guy?

Yes, take him.
No, continue to question 2.

2) who's the BPA?

Take him.

I might even change the first to "any qb better than your own" with fitz at the helm.

Edited by NoSaint, 10 November 2012 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

Te'o is awesome, but if there's a franchise Q available, it begins and ends there.

Clay Matthews didn't win the SB for the Packers.  Rodgers did, you know?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:12 AM

View PostOffsides Number 76, on 11 November 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Te'o is awesome, but if there's a franchise Q available, it begins and ends there.

Clay Matthews didn't win the SB for the Packers.  Rodgers did, you know?

Yup.  The assumption is the top QBs will be gone before Buffalo picks (yes they will win six games), so in that case a LB makes a lot of sense.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:12 AM

View Postreddogblitz, on 10 November 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If the LB is better than the QB take the LB.  Besides, as the team is now, we need a stud LB more than a QB.

Really?  I mean our LBs suck but this team with the same LBs and a better QB is drastically better than this team with Fitz and better LBs

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:08 AM

This team needs more than one LB but Teo is not top 10 quality.  If the team does not sweep Miami and Indy they will be drafting around 8-11.  If they go 5-3 down the stretch they wil be drafitn arounf 15-18 and Teo may be decent value there.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

View PostDadonkadonk, on 11 November 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

This team needs more than one LB but Teo is not top 10 quality.  If the team does not sweep Miami and Indy they will be drafting around 8-11.  If they go 5-3 down the stretch they wil be drafitn arounf 15-18 and Teo may be decent value there.
He's been grading out as" Kuetchly with better cover skills".

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:04 AM

View Posttito1, on 10 November 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Who you got? This qb class looks pretty weak o me, so  curious if everyone still would want qb(with all the problems with Fitzy this year), or one of the most dominant defensive and leaders in college football this year

QB, Landry Jones and Tyler Wilson are the best available and can be had after "stars" Smith and Barkley. Wilson has had a rough year but with the program in total disarray it's easy to see why he is down this year but last year he was on the same level as Tannehill who I'm sure most of you would take right now.

LBs are nice but QBs win championships and the  LB position is becoming less important with all the use of nickel and dime packages.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:10 AM

I think the loss of petrino has affected wilson more than anything else. He worries me in that regard, given the history of petrino QBs

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:16 AM

View PostThe Cincinnati Kid, on 10 November 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

I want the LB and then get a first or second round guy next year.  I hate the square peg into a round hole.  If the best player is a LB take the LB.  If the best player is a QB take the QB.  I'm with you, the QB's don't look like RGIII or Luck.

yeah this has worked great for so far, BPA is for teams that have all the pieces.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:01 AM

Sticking to your board is dumb when you have players the are closely ranked together but you take the BPA when you really need that other player. How much difference is there really  between the top 20 through the third round? Not a whole heck of a lot.

Look at our draft this year ,Nix has said he sticks to his board no matter what and we passed by players that could have helped this team (QBs Wilson, Foles 3rd round) and cut or traded our  last 4 picks. Did we really need a guard, which we have a ton of, in the sixth round when there talented WRS and Safetys available that we really needed? You have to go get the players you want just like Dallas who could be great if not for their QB. There was Talk that the Bills would have taken Tannehill if he was there, if so then they should have traded up to get him.

Here's what we should have done:

1. QB Ryan Tannehill 6'4" 222 Tex A&M (trade our first and second to miami)
3. TE Michael Egnew 6'5" 252 Missouri
4. LB Nigel Bradham 6'2" 241 FSU
4. CB Ron Brooks 5'11" 188 LSU
5. WR/RB Chris Rainey 5"9 180 Florida
5. SS George Iloka 6'4" 225 Boise State
6. WR Tommy Streeter 6'5" 219 Miami
7. LT Andrew Datko 6'6" 315 FSU
7. LB Vontaze Burfict 6'1" 245 Arizona ST.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:13 AM

View PostBuffalo Barbarian, on 11 November 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Sticking to your board is dumb when you have players the are closely ranked together but you take the BPA when you really need that other player. How much difference is there really  between the top 20 through the third round? Not a whole heck of a lot.

Look at our draft this year ,Nix has said he sticks to his board no matter what and we passed by players that could have helped this team (QBs Wilson, Foles 3rd round) and cut or traded our  last 4 picks. Did we really need a guard, which we have a ton of, in the sixth round when there talented WRS and Safetys available that we really needed? You have to go get the players you want just like Dallas who could be great if not for their QB. There was Talk that the Bills would have taken Tannehill if he was there, if so then they should have traded up to get him.

Here's what we should have done:

1. QB Ryan Tannehill 6'4" 222 Tex A&M (trade our first and second to miami)
3. TE Michael Egnew 6'5" 252 Missouri
4. LB Nigel Bradham 6'2" 241 FSU
4. CB Ron Brooks 5'11" 188 LSU
5. WR/RB Chris Rainey 5"9 180 Florida
5. SS George Iloka 6'4" 225 Boise State
6. WR Tommy Streeter 6'5" 219 Miami
7. LT Andrew Datko 6'6" 315 FSU
7. LB Vontaze Burfict 6'1" 245 Arizona ST.

While I disagreed with you on Tannehill- and props to you for recognizing his skill- thank you for not submitting a b.s. draft board of the best available that this franchise would not have drafted (i.e., Bobby Wagner, Casey Hayward).

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:24 AM

View Postny33, on 11 November 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

While I disagreed with you on Tannehill- and props to you for recognizing his skill- thank you for not submitting a b.s. draft board of the best available that this franchise would not have drafted (i.e., Bobby Wagner, Casey Hayward).

Your Welcome, although I was hoping we could Wagner or Lavonte David.