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#1 l2yangop

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:42 PM

Horrible offensive play calling tonight, but we found a way to eek it out. Thank you for showing up D! Clearly with this defense and inability to score in the red zone, we are not playoff caliber, but fun to watch. Especially if you want to see every possible iteration of a screen pass!

#2 Fixxxer

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

So Barnett called the shots on defense?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:46 PM

Yeah, defense coaches had nothing to do with the defense playing well tonight. But of course, all blame goes to defensive coaches for the losses. Go bills!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:57 PM

Offensively, we got what we wanted...more spiller, but Chan still cant call a full game.
Defensively, we FINALLY get a decent pass rush and look at the results... sacks, ints and a much needed win.
Im not gonna jump the gun here and say the D turned the corner, but this performance does give me hope

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

3rd and goal on the 1 or 2yd line, fullback in for the play=pass to tightly covered/held TE. Go figure.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

3RD and goal and Chan pulls CJ for Tashard Choice? Really Chan? you should be fired for that alone!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:01 AM

Yea chan still calls some dumb plays. Deep pass on 3-1 wtf

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:01 AM

View Postangryfan62, on 15 November 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

3rd and goal on the 1 or 2yd line, fullback in for the play=pass to tightly covered/held TE. Go figure.

I had all of halftime to stew on that one. It was maddening. I mean Chandler is what 8ft tall and you run a play like that? Come on!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

View Postl2yangop, on 16 November 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

I had all of halftime to stew on that one. It was maddening. I mean Chandler is what 8ft tall and you run a play like that? Come on!

I like Chan but he does out smart himself with this ****. Just give it to CJ who is averaging 7 yards per carry. Really?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

Chan is so sneaky even he doesnt know whats he's gonna do next...

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

Frustrating for sure, but if we finish instead of stalling out at the 10 then we have no problems...but we didn't. Still a must have it win, not pretty but who cares!~!!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

View Postl2yangop, on 15 November 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

Horrible offensive play calling tonight, but we found a way to eek it out. Thank you for showing up D! Clearly with this defense and inability to score in the red zone, we are not playoff caliber, but fun to watch. Especially if you want to see every possible iteration of a screen pass!

Chan had a rough night with the play calling. Wildcat to Choice on 3rd and short, overall MUCH too conservative play calling with too many screens in the 2nd half (Miami adjusted). Not going for it on one of the 4th downs in the 1st half. Sitting Spiller in the redzone before the end of the 1st half.

Edited by BuffaloBillsForever, 16 November 2012 - 12:06 AM.


#13 l2yangop

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

View PostFan in San Diego, on 16 November 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

I like Chan but he does out smart himself with this ****. Just give it to CJ who is averaging 7 yards per carry. Really?

they had to throw it there to save time for a field goal, but regardless the play call was terrible

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:17 AM

On the second third and 1 with empty set, that should have been a QB draw.  They only had 4 down lineman and there was no LB to be seen.  On the first third and 1, Choice ran to the wrong hole from the Wildcat.  I like that they ran clock at the end of the first half butthey should have given themselves about 15 more seconds.  They huddled which was fine but Fitz took too long to snap the ball and when he got sacked or ran for short gain they had to burn a time-out.  Little too cute there.  Jump ball to Chandler may have worked.  An extra ten seconds and a QB sneak scores.  Would have taken some serious balls to go QB sneak with 6 seconds and no time-out.  But that could have been a back breaker.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:24 AM

How many time have I read complaints that the Bills get too fancy?  So what happens when the Bills give the ball to SJ & CJ and don't make any risky plays, against a very good Miami defense?  We complain that we are too conservative. :doh:

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#16 NickelCity

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:27 AM

It's tough. With Chan we finally have an offense capable of competing. However, you can count on him with disconcerting frequency to do the opposite of what's working in the middle of a drive. I must have said it 10 times by now: run Spiller on 1st an 2nd, only throw on 3rd (if long). We'd have a better record.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:28 AM

View PostFan in San Diego, on 16 November 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

I like Chan but he does out smart himself with this ****. Just give it to CJ who is averaging 7 yards per carry. Really?

They gave it to CJ on 3rd and 1 on that last drive where the Bills were trying to run out the clock, the way you guys have been screaming all year that Chan should do. What happened? He got stuffed and they had to punt, giving the Dolphins another chance to win.

Averaging seven yards a carry does not mean that the runner gets seven yards every time he carries the ball. CJ got tackled for a loss quite a few times tonight, and other times he made yards when he had no business doing so. Third and one when the defense is stacked against you, it's hard for anyone to make a first down consistently.

That said, I was unhappy with Tashard Chjoice, especially when he showed alligator arms on that third down pass that would have kept a drive alive. No guts.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:37 AM

View Postl2yangop, on 15 November 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

Horrible offensive play calling tonight, but we found a way to eek it out. Thank you for showing up D! Clearly with this defense and inability to score in the red zone, we are not playoff caliber, but fun to watch. Especially if you want to see every possible iteration of a screen pass!

I agree the coaching was horrible. Miami stinks, otherwise the result would probably have been different. BTW, the Bills linebackers are dreadful (Sheppard and Bradham are brutal). Also, the blocking schemes frequently left Spiller to block a DE by himself. At other times the DE rushed Fitz untouched. Terrible coaching and design. The RT Hairston really struggled.

A win is a win, but these giant weaknesses won't beat too many teams in the NFL.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:13 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 16 November 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

How many time have I read complaints that the Bills get too fancy?  So what happens when the Bills get to ball the SJ & CJ and don't make any risky plays, against a very good Miami defense?  We complain that we are too conservative. :doh:

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This.

We are fickle and the reality is that the average Bills fans could care less what is called as long as it actually works.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:13 AM

View PostDanInUticaTampa, on 15 November 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Yeah, defense coaches had nothing to do with the defense playing well tonight. But of course, all blame goes to defensive coaches for the losses. Go bills!
Even a Broken Watch is right 2x a day!  How did we ever get 4 W's??