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#1 Griff28

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:05 PM

whether it's due to an unwillingness to spend, incompetent coaches, a bad front office, etc.  The ultimate question is would you rather be 6-10'ish every year or just scrap the whole damn thing and let them move to wherever.  I don't see any other options.  This organization is bad.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

There is no good answer

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Why can't they scrap it, again, and not move? This team starts winning and there will be much more ticket sales than if they move and win.

Edit: They move and there's no more Bills. Their name and logo wouldn't make sense anywhere else.

Edited by Teen Insight, 25 November 2012 - 06:09 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:11 PM

Big deal.  It's more of a frustration than it's worth.  Are they really ever going to win anything?  To say yes is laughable.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostAKA Bigdog, on 25 November 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

There is no good answer
We could kill Batman

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

Honestly, as a season ticket holder for about 10 seasons total, I'd prefer they left. I realized this year when I went away on a backpacking trip for the SF game that I was better off and happier not having 'to waste a Sunday watching that garbage. That life is better when you get off the couch and live it... live and in person. Giving this jerkoff loser owner my money has been the dumbest thing I've done. He's not committed to this region, despite turning a $25,000 investment into an $800M fortune on the blood, sweat and mainly tears of this fanbase and the taxpayers. F that guy. He's got th perfect opportunity to energize this fanbase and commit to this region through a sale of the team now, while he can control it and he can determine who has the best interest of the region at heart. And what's he done? Ask for Sought to hold this region's taxpayers for ransom for $200M more in taxpayer financed stadium improvements, despite the hundreds of millions in profit he's made and the 100% equity he has in this team.

Pack the mving trucks, let's put that $200 to work in this region somewhere else. Stop giving this meddling, micromanaging, controlling owner (the guy who demanded Johnson start over Flutie remember) any more of your money willingly. This guy, as an owner, is an unquestioned loser. His team has a lifetime losing record and he's the ONLY one who has been here the whole time. He's kicked out GMs and coaches who have disagreed with him and who many would argue wgere the best he had. And he hired yes-men and milquetoast, retreads he could control. And his control always leads to losing. Always.

I'm eating my tickets the rest of the season. I'd like to see that stadium empty.

And I don't give one rat's arse about anyone suggestion that not buying tickets ensures they move. Really? Does buying them ensure they stay? Hardly. It's a myth.

Let's all face one simple fact: this team has a short future in Buffalo. Would you buy a stock you knew would be worthless in three years? So why spend money one another business that'll make profit from it and be gone in three years?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

Now slowly, very calmly, please back off the ledge sir.  It's football....be thankful that you have a team to cheer for.  There are more important things in life....like strippers, scotch, and strippers.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

thank goodness i was flying the friendly skies today and missed 60 min of aggravation.
i heard chan doesnt know how to coach. buffalo is always the last to know;)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

The taxpayers in Erie county should not allow their politicians to pay for any stadium improvements.  Tell Ralph to eat ****.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

they are a legitimate QB, a second WR, a stud LB and CB away from competing with the top (10) in the NFL.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:19 PM

The idea of "rebuilding" is BS. All we need to do is make a wise and well informed coaching hire this offseason and we could be back in contention by next season. Look at Tampa and Miami, two teams who were dismal last season and already they're back to being respectable and then some.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

View Postjethro_tull, on 25 November 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

they are a legitimate QB, a second WR, a stud LB and CB away from competing with the top (10) in the NFL.
true...IF they have a better coach than Chan. Chan would still screw it up even with those necc components..--altho I thionk #2 receiver
is not a HUGE need ...and the need is unproven due to Fitzys inability to pass

View Postbills1960, on 25 November 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

The idea of "rebuilding" is BS. All we need to do is make a wise and well informed coaching hire this offseason and we could be back in contention by next season. Look at Tampa and Miami, two teams who were dismal last season and already they're back to being respectable and then some.
miami is worse...i liked their coach last yr-----but i agree w you bout our coach

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

Nothing changes until there is new and more competent ownership.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

View Postzonabb, on 25 November 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Honestly, as a season ticket holder for about 10 seasons total, I'd prefer they left. I realized this year when I went away on a backpacking trip for the SF game that I was better off and happier not having 'to waste a Sunday watching that garbage. That life is better when you get off the couch and live it... live and in person. Giving this jerkoff loser owner my money has been the dumbest thing I've done. He's not committed to this region, despite turning a $25,000 investment into an $800M fortune on the blood, sweat and mainly tears of this fanbase and the taxpayers. F that guy. He's got th perfect opportunity to energize this fanbase and commit to this region through a sale of the team now, while he can control it and he can determine who has the best interest of the region at heart. And what's he done? Ask for Sought to hold this region's taxpayers for ransom for $200M more in taxpayer financed stadium improvements, despite the hundreds of millions in profit he's made and the 100% equity he has in this team.

Pack the mving trucks, let's put that $200 to work in this region somewhere else. Stop giving this meddling, micromanaging, controlling owner (the guy who demanded Johnson start over Flutie remember) any more of your money willingly. This guy, as an owner, is an unquestioned loser. His team has a lifetime losing record and he's the ONLY one who has been here the whole time. He's kicked out GMs and coaches who have disagreed with him and who many would argue wgere the best he had. And he hired yes-men and milquetoast, retreads he could control. And his control always leads to losing. Always.

I'm eating my tickets the rest of the season. I'd like to see that stadium empty.

And I don't give one rat's arse about anyone suggestion that not buying tickets ensures they move. Really? Does buying them ensure they stay? Hardly. It's a myth.

Let's all face one simple fact: this team has a short future in Buffalo. Would you buy a stock you knew would be worthless in three years? So why spend money one another business that'll make profit from it and be gone in three years?

I really agree with a good amount of what you said. Ralph has meddled, and the result is this. He's refused to allow good football men to run the show. And, I really believe Nix is a good football minded coach. The problem, I believe, he has is this: he can't really bring in any excellent well known coaches because who would sign on to a job that might be gone in a year? Or, for that matter, coaching for an owner who might override his decisions at any moment (which is a well known fact about Ralph in the NFL). Nix's only chance at bringing in real talent at the coaching level is by bringing in youth - young coaches unknown to most but who have IT. The only problem? Nix is probably too old and out of touch to know those young men.

I explained it this way to my son this morning - the Bills lose when they should win, win when they should lose. They can't get much better until the team is sold, and when the team is sold they might be gone. It's a lose lose with the Bills. I, as many of us have, have lost the belief that this thing can turn around. I've been saying I won't watch anymore games after this year if they don't bring in a new QB. Still, they need a new DC, too. And, I happen to strongly believe they need a new HC, too. I just don't see it all coming together for them, and it will take big changes for me to begin to have any faith again.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:44 PM

Look, Ralph's not gonna live forever. Sooner or later, like it or not, we'll find out if the team is leaving or staying. If they leave, it'll be devastating, but the purgatory of the past 13 years will be at a merciful end.

But if they stay, under new ownership, things are almost guaranteed to improve. Ralph is probably the worst owner in the NFL - odds are good the new guy will be better.

So the choice isn't "they suck forever or they move."  It's "they move or they get better here in Buffalo." It's just a matter of when the old man goes to his reward, and who steps up when he does.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

We're nowhere near needing a rebuild. The pieces are there. This team is underachieving. For the past few years it's been a situation where if a couple guys pan out, we get lucky here, and no one gets hurt we should be pretty good. Problem is, a couple of them don't pan out, people get hurt, and the team falls apart. We've got talent and depth. A tweak here or there, and an infusion of confident, take no **** aggression is all this team needs.



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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

View PostAKA Bigdog, on 25 November 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

There is no good answer

Yeah... there is. SELL THE FREAKIN TEAM RALPH. You are going to get taxed big time either way.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

It all starts with ownership. Period. Nothing will change until the team moves or we have a new owner. Either one is preferable to suffering mind numbing season after season living with false hope sure to be crushed in futility and stuck as an eternal 2nd class NFL Organization.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

I really believe we are close to a major announcement.  I just feel it in my bones.  TJax will play.  Or Chan gets fired.  Or Wannstedt is named head coach (yuck). Or something.  Ralph can't let the status quo just squash all hope.
Maybe they would be better off tanking for draft picks, which could be done under the cover of trying new schemes and talents.  I just feel that something has to and will change now that they are more or less mathematically/realistically eliminated from playoffs.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostGraybeard, on 25 November 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

I really believe we are close to a major announcement.  I just feel it in my bones.  TJax will play.  Or Chan gets fired.  Or Wannstedt is named head coach (yuck). Or something.  Ralph can't let the status quo just squash all hope.
Maybe they would be better off tanking for draft picks, which could be done under the cover of trying new schemes and talents.  I just feel that something has to and will change now that they are more or less mathematically/realistically eliminated from playoffs.
Fitz will go down with Gailey as the SS Buffalo continues to take on water. No change but it would be nice.