Ed_Roch, on 07 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:
I don't think I'd call Rich Gannon elite. I recall him having a couple of good years with the Raiders, in fact I'd call them very good years, but don't recall much of anything else about his career. And the fact that I don't recall much says he's not elite!
As for the rest of the list, agree, Rogers should be in the "A" group. Eli Manning based on big game play belongs there, but still overall needs to show a little more besides playing great every three years. He's very close, likely hte next person to graduate to the "A" team
I do not know, I guess for those few years, though, as a QB...he was elite. I put him on there for that, which was impressive. Kurt Warner is pretty much the same way and benefited from similar styles of offense.
Joe_the_6_pack, on 07 December 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:
Not exactly what I was after but I know some people are sensitive around here.
But since you brought it up let's see if we can make some observations about how to acquire an all important franchise QB (the 6 guys in my OP claim the last 9 SB rings ).
- All but one* was a 1st round selection. I think of breed as 1st round because although he was technically 2nd round he was 32nd overall. For those that don't want to accept that fine, then I'll just say "top 32".
- two of them (brees and pmanning) were acquired as FA's. In both cases there were injury concerns.
So it would seem like overwhelming evidence that a franchise QB comes from round 1... Dont bother trying to get cute and llok for someone who falls to round 2 or 3. The rookie salary cap makes it even more compelling than ever to take one due to limited financial risk. And if a former Rd1 whose performed at pro level is available due to injury concern, they're worth a try.
I was adding to your point, especially noting how those elite QB's are elite for a number of years and do not show up over night - because they fade just like over night.
Big Ben, Eli - those two are the elites going forward. Rodgers is already there and unless he falls quickly he will stay there. I agree there is only one place to get a QB in todays NFL, even with the FA design. I, though, am frustrated with the league for putting the QB this sacred and forgetting numerous other positions. It is done in the name of safety but they have done nothing to protect the OL/DL...but that's another topic!
I like this thread, it needs to ring home with people that the elite QB we want is not just going to pop up - and in this years draft I really don't know if he's out there.