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#1 buffaloaggie

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:26 PM


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Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame


The Bills could be in the market for a quarterback depending on how they feel about Ryan Fitzpatrick after this season, but there's no way Barkley has the arm to play in Buffalo in the winter. There is also no wide receiver worth taking this high to fill their need at that position. Te'o would give the team another young defensive leader up the middle with DTMarcell Dareus. He's a three-down linebacker who can handle the point of attack against the run and has shown plenty of ability in underneath coverage.


I'd love to see this!


Only one QB, Geno Smith, in the first round 8th to Arizona.

1) Star Lotuleilei, KC

2) DeMontre Moore, Jax

3)Bjoern Warner, Oak

4) Luke Joeckel, Philly

5) Jonathan Hankins, Car

Mingo, Milliner, Smith, Lewan and Warmack round out the top ten.



#2 Maddog69

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

Way too early to put any stock into mock drafts (not that you can ever put stock into them anyways).
But I would love if they Bills someone ended up with Te'o.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

There's zero percent chance one QB goes in the first round.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round.

For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:09 PM

View PostJohnC, on 12 December 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round.

For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense!
Unfortunately, you are right.  That's the position Buddy left us in by inexcusably passing on Wilson/Foles/Cousins last year.  A firing offense if I've ever seen one.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

Trade for Jon Beason, 3rd rounder...trade back in draft and pick up another first next year.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:13 PM

View PostJohnC, on 12 December 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round.

For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense!
so we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a 2nd round graded QB prospect in Rd1?
No Thank You.
I understand that we need to address the QB position,   But we are sorely lacking any quality LBs.   If we get a chance at one, we should grab him

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostMaddog69, on 12 December 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

so we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a 2nd round graded QB prospect in Rd1?
No Thank You.
I understand that we need to address the QB position,   But we are sorely lacking any quality LBs.   If we get a chance at one, we should grab him
I completely understand your point.  The problem is, it is very difficult to grade out QBs in the draft and even more difficult to predict how high they will be drafted.  Due to the premium associated with the position, the last two drafts have seen multiple QBs taken considerably higher than their "grades" would have suggested.  As a result, it's very risky to trade down and still expect your QB to be there, even in the lower rounds.  Given the number of other QB-starved teams in the league this year, I expect that trend will continue.  The majority of the teams drafting in the top ten will be QB-needy, especially the Cards, Chiefs, and Jags.  You can add the Jets to that list, too, although I doubt they will be drafting in the top 10.  I would be surprised if they don't try to move up.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:31 PM

View Postaristocrat, on 12 December 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Trade for Jon Beason, 3rd rounder...trade back in draft and pick up another first next year.

Beason will probably never be the same player he was after his achillies injury and not sure if Carolina would want to eat his contract

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:40 PM

How the heck does Te'o fall to 11th?

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

View PostStealth, on 12 December 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Beason will probably never be the same player he was after his achillies injury and not sure if Carolina would want to eat his contract

First I'll say I don't believe Teo will be there when we pick.  Beason is out cause of a torn labrum not because of his achilles.  He was his old self in the first few games of the year but just took a bad injury.  He had never missed a start before the injuries last year and this in the first four years of his career.  He will also only be 28 next season and the Panthers paid him a 20 million signing bonus so the contract is favorable for us.  Kuechly has played lights out in the middle and Beason is not great on the outside so this is why the panthers will look to move him.  I say make this deal cause teo will be gone.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

View Postmannc, on 12 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

I completely understand your point.  The problem is, it is very difficult to grade out QBs in the draft and even more difficult to predict how high they will be drafted.  Due to the premium associated with the position, the last two drafts have seen multiple QBs taken considerably higher than their "grades" would have suggested.  As a result, it's very risky to trade down and still expect your QB to be there, even in the lower rounds.  Given the number of other QB-starved teams in the league this year, I expect that trend will continue.  The majority of the teams drafting in the top ten will be QB-needy, especially the Cards, Chiefs, and Jags.  You can add the Jets to that list, too, although I doubt they will be drafting in the top 10.  I would be surprised if they don't try to move up.
Does anyone see any QB that is worth a high pick in this draft? They have all pretty much underachieved. I really don't see any franchise type QBs with the exception of Geno Smith. Starting with the third round, start grabbing QBs left on the board, but the Bills still have glaring LB and WR issues, as well as QB.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

I'd prefer LB Jones from Georgia, and then Landry Jones in the 2nd round.  Plus, I don't trust any mock that has Mingo ahead of Jones and Te'o.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:38 PM

View Postbuffaloaggie, on 12 December 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:


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Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame

The Bills could be in the market for a quarterback depending on how they feel about Ryan Fitzpatrick after this season, but there's no way Barkley has the arm to play in Buffalo in the winter. There is also no wide receiver worth taking this high to fill their need at that position. Te'o would give the team another young defensive leader up the middle with DTMarcell Dareus. He's a three-down linebacker who can handle the point of attack against the run and has shown plenty of ability in underneath coverage.

I'd love to see this!

Only one QB, Geno Smith, in the first round 8th to Arizona.
1) Star Lotuleilei, KC
2) DeMontre Moore, Jax
3)Bjoern Warner, Oak
4) Luke Joeckel, Philly
5) Jonathan Hankins, Car
Mingo, Milliner, Smith, Lewan and Warmack round out the top ten.



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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

View PostRyanC883, on 12 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'd prefer LB Jones from Georgia, and then Landry Jones in the 2nd round.  Plus, I don't trust any mock that has Mingo ahead of Jones and Te'o.

I'd be happy with this

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

View PostMaddog69, on 12 December 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

so we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a 2nd round graded QB prospect in Rd1?
No Thank You.
I understand that we need to address the QB position,   But we are sorely lacking any quality LBs.   If we get a chance at one, we should grab him

Yes, we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a potential franchise qb prospect. The issue isn't player ranking so much as position value and rankings combined. A second round rated qb who is also considered a legitimate franchise qb prospect has much more value to this bedraggled franchise. Dalton and Kaepernick were both second round rated players. Both indisputably have more value to the Bills than a higher rated LB.

There are creative ways to maneuver in the draft to fill a critical qb need. If you like a particular qb prospect but believe that the value isn't there at your draft position then be flexible and move down a bit if you can still acquire that same player. If you believe that you will risk losing that particular qb then keep the pick and take the qb you rated the highest. It is much more important for the Bills to take the highest rated qb on the board than to wait at a lower round to pick a lower rated qb.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

View Postaristocrat, on 12 December 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

First I'll say I don't believe Teo will be there when we pick.  Beason is out cause of a torn labrum not because of his achilles.  He was his old self in the first few games of the year but just took a bad injury.  He had never missed a start before the injuries last year and this in the first four years of his career.  He will also only be 28 next season and the Panthers paid him a 20 million signing bonus so the contract is favorable for us.  Kuechly has played lights out in the middle and Beason is not great on the outside so this is why the panthers will look to move him.  I say make this deal cause teo will be gone.

ahh thought it was an achillies.  Haven't paid much attention to the panthers honestly but I was a big Beason fan when he was @ The U.   I'm def not against the trade if they're looking to move him. Would actually prefer it over drafting a lb in the top 2 rounds

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Manti Te'o had a precipitous fall in the draft as time goes on. He is without peer in the character/leadership department. But there are major concerns about his game translating to the next level, chiefly his speed to the hole and his ability to play in space.

The 'Bama game will be telling. It's the best OL he'll have faced all season. They will put a hat on him like nobody else. If he does well against them and has a good combine and pro day, then his stock won't fall at all.

I hope he does great and proves himself.

GO BILLS!!!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:13 PM

Weak draft class at QB.  Reminds me of 2010 when Sam Bradford was first overall pick.  It was a forced pick.  He was a top 10 talent and the rest of the QB class is unremarkable. Teó would be an insanely great pick.  Can cover the middle in passing, moves quickly to the ball (7 ints), he tackling is solid and he is a hard nosed presence in the middle. This mock draft is the start of the NFL silly season for those team missing out on the playoffs.  April can not come soon enough.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

I'd love Te'o!

I also love Star, he is a good egg!