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#1 Bills1218

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

Interesting analysis from Deadspin of the sweetheart deal Uncle Ralph got - http://deadspin.com/...s?post=55612239

Don't get me wrong - I am thrilled that the Bills are staying for at least seven years.  But it sure would be nice for the team to finally pay it forward and invest in a real GM and head coach instead of spending another couple years on Russ Brandon's marketing gimmicks to sell season tickets.

We deserve better than this.

#2 jjmac

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

Is the idea for a new downtown stadium still being discussed?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

Meh. There are lots of things we help finance downstate too, so whatever. The author can cry me a river.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:53 AM

The deal is FAR cheaper than most.  And the tax revenue will more than make up for the "paltry" amount the city/state have to pay.  The team could've demanded a new stadium like other teams are doing - but they didn't.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:53 AM

WHO IS THIS BARRY GUY? IF THE BILLS WERE TO MOVE THE LOST REVENUES FROM SALARIES ALONE. WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT THE STATE KICKED IN,,THIS IS A SWEETHEART DEAL  FOR ERIE COUNTY AND BILLS FANS,AND THIS GUY COMPLAINS WHAT A JACK***!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

I'm Canadian and come to several games a year.  I come early, always do some shopping and I know I'm not alone.  There is no way to tell what the true economic impact of the Bills is in the area, but I'm sure it's a capital investment for the County and State.  This article appears to be written by nothing more then victimhood and entitlement mentalities.



#7 nucci

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:03 PM

Right, it's the Bills. Politicians never screw us taxpayers.

#8 KD in CT

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:07 PM

Taxpayers are fleeced every time the pay one dime toward pro sports stadiums.  We should execute politicians in the town square for signing off on these deals.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:11 PM

well.... i see both sides on this one. by comparison to other projects its certainly not near the worst, but there are definitely reasons someone not on a bills message board would be questioning it too.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

This "author" is fleecing his employers.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

He also forgot to mention that the county owns the stadium. This is not the same as Jery Jones, Daniel Snyder, or the Steinbrenners getting a tax payer hand out.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Just do away with the whole private owenership thing and return to the "community owned" concept.  Or @ the very least, allow both concepts to co-exist where it will work... See Green Bay.  Places like BFLO, CLEV, spring to mind.  Then we wouldn't have Ralph to kick around... We can lash out @ the community! LoL...

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:23 PM

View Posttombstone56, on 27 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

WHO IS THIS BARRY GUY? IF THE BILLS WERE TO MOVE THE LOST REVENUES FROM SALARIES ALONE. WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT THE STATE KICKED IN,,THIS IS A SWEETHEART DEAL  FOR ERIE COUNTY AND BILLS FANS,AND THIS GUY COMPLAINS WHAT A JACK***!

You should take a math class.  If the revenues for the county exceeded the taxes, then they wouldn't have to levy the tax.

Otherwise, do your homework, it's been disproven many times over that pro sports teams do not bring in money to their states/municipalities.

All I know is that anyone that agrees with this kind of stuff, for us, for them (downstaters), etc., should clam up when it comes to overspending governments.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:28 PM

View PostTaskersGhost, on 27 December 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

You should take a math class.  If the revenues for the county exceeded the taxes, then they wouldn't have to levy the tax.

Otherwise, do your homework, it's been disproven many times over that pro sports teams do not bring in money to their states/municipalities.
Have any facts/links/research to back that up with?  Seriously.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:28 PM

Me:  Deadspin Fleecing Advertisers.

#16 MarkyMannn

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:32 PM

SOME taxpayers are getting screwed.  The state kicks in $123 million, not much per NYS taxpayer.  Erie county kicks in $103 million, per taxpayer that is a lot of $$$.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:37 PM

I understand the frustration of the author. No doubt he displayed the same frustration with Yankee Stadium.  I think the article is pretty well written and supported by facts.  But these public financing deals are the ransom we "fans" pay to keep our teams in town.  Pro sports has gotten way out of hand and I think will struggle more in the future.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostMarkyMannn, on 27 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

SOME taxpayers are getting screwed.  The state kicks in $123 million, not much per NYS taxpayer.  Erie county kicks in $103 million, per taxpayer that is a lot of $$$.

That comes out to roughly 110 bucks per person in Erie County.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:41 PM

View PostNoSaint, on 27 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

i dont keep a spreadsheet of author opinions or anything, but im pretty sure hes strongly against stadium funding across the board.

He says this early in the piece.  But let these guys rant on...

View PostFezmid, on 27 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

The deal is FAR cheaper than most. And the tax revenue will more than make up for the "paltry" amount the city/state have to pay.  The team could've demanded a new stadium like other teams are doing - but they didn't.

What extra tax revenue will be generated by the renevations to "more than" pay for the renovations?


Anyway, this guy's main point is the tiny amount the team is paying.  You guy scan go off on him if it feels good, but referencing the Yankees or the Mets or the Nets (or Jerry Jones, for that matter) ignores the vast amounts of money those stadium owners put up for thier palaces. Pechesky is saying it's wrong that the Bills put up essentially nothing.  He's right.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

View PostMr. WEO, on 27 December 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

What extra tax revenue will be generated by the renevations to "more than" pay for the renovations?
Team moves to [Toronto|Los Angeles|London|Wherever], county/city/state receive no more tax revenue...  Seems pretty straight forward to me.

If the team was building a billion dollar stadium (like they're doing in Minnesota), and the taxpayers were on the hook for $800+M (like they're doing in Minnesota), then I'd agree that you'll never make that money up in tax revenue.  But a "paltry" $150M over seven years?  Shouldn't be a big deal I wouldn't think.