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#1 mrags

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

Mods. I know there are about 10 different threads for all of our coaching, President, and assistant coach changes. This isn't your normal thread covering them. Please combine with another thread if you feel it should be but I think this may bring the topic in a different direction.

Now that I'm done with that, let me say that I've just woken up about an hour ago and managed to see a few things that I hadn't since last night.

The first real thing I've seen since I woke up was the hiring of Mike Pettine as our defensive coordinator.

Just the other day I saw the hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as our offensive coordinator.

And of course the hiring of our new head coach Doug Marrone.

I read the information on Petrine being hired and got really excited about the move. Since I've been at work the last 4 days on 16 hour shifts I haven't really had much time to read up on some of these changes. And I hadn't had the opportunity to watch the 35+ minute interview and announcement of Marrone as our Head Coach.

By the time I finished watching the Marrone announcement I was gladly Suprised by another update as Jim O'Neil was also brought on to the coaching staff. I'm assuming he will be our DB coach but that I haven't confirmed anywhere yet.

One of the things I LOVE about the process this off season so far is the urgency. I heard on the announcement video and have seen some comments here about how they could really have an "exhaustive" search with their head coach vacancy yet hire Marrone after only a few days of searching. I also put my own opinion into it that he WAS exactly what they wanted from the begin with.

In the announcement, Buddy said he was the "2nd coach they interviewed" and that process had gone on over a few days meeting back with him during and throughout the process.

In my unprofessional opinion of what went down was this: they went to Arizone and interviewed Chip Kelly, with the intent that if he was their man he would be the one hired. They also interviewed Horton, Wiz as Rooney Rule candidates. They had opinions on Kelly and Marrine and wanted one of these men as their man. They noticed that Marrone was not only the better option, but the more solid option. Kelly decided to go back to Oregon. He was courted by many and was said to be out of the Bills future after meeting with Browns and talks about the Eagles. I am going out on a limb to say he was interested in the Bills vacancy more than the others but the feelings were not mutual after the Bills met with Marrone. Kelly eventually went back to the college ranks and Buddy stated that their 2nd guy (Marrone) was always their man after that 2nd interview. Kelly knew that and that's why he took a bit to decide on Oregon. He waited to make sure but knew after a few days the Bills were serious about Marrone.

I know the thought of this may really make some of you jump off a building but I think this is how it went down.

In the end, the Bills are being extremely pro active in their searches. They "Striking while the stove is hot" and they are moving with a great quickness.

As Promo pointed out in the O'Neil thread that we are hiring our assistants before other teams have their Head Coaches. "WOW" he wrote. Yes, that's the best way it can be summed up. The FO knew Marrone would be a highly sought after choice and got while the gettin was good. Since then, they haven't taken their feet off the excellerator. They are moving forward and being the most active team so far out if the open coaching position teams to fill up their coaching staff before anyone knows whats going on. They will be "stealing" assistants away from other teams that wished they were in it earlier to attract some of these talents.

Marrone and Hackett have much knowledge of the offensive gameplan they will put in place. They have much experience with the offensive and defensive players coming out in this years draft as they played against quite a few of them and game planned around them for a few years now. And Pettine and O'Neil have much knowledge of the defensive side if the ball and the inner workings of the AFC east and how to gameplan against these teams. How to implement an experienced NFL defense that will, has, and does work.

Yes everyone. This isn't your fathers and uncles Bills. This is a very young and hungry Buffalo Bills coaching staff, however very experienced in their fields. Marrone is a big, overpowering man and a previous offensive linemen and will find ways to get this staff and team to utilize the running game, perfect the passing game and instill will on other teams and coaches.

I for one am VERY excited. I hope you all are as well. We are on the verge of a new era of Buffalo Bills football where we will show everyone what we are and make them try to stop it.

I hope you all enjoyed and I'm interested in listening to what you all have to say.

#2 mrags

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

My post too long for people to bother reading maybe? Or nobody cares. Who knows, maybe everyone is sucked into all the other 38 coaching staff threads.

Either way, I'm bumping my own post. Interested to hear what people say.

#3 BillnutinHouston

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

View Postmrags, on 09 January 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

My post too long for people to bother reading maybe? Or nobody cares. Who knows, maybe everyone is sucked into all the other 38 coaching staff threads.

Either way, I'm bumping my own post. Interested to hear what people say.

Agree with much of what you said above, although I don't know what you're basing your speculation about Kelly's interest on?

Not to rain on your parade but there's similar talk in the pinned threads.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

View PostBillnutinHouston, on 09 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:



Agree with much of what you said above, although I don't know what you're basing your speculation about Kelly's interest on?

Not to rain on your parade but there's similar talk in the pinned threads.
was just my opinion after I saw the presser and how they talked about he was their 2nd guy interviewed and pretty much knew after that. If he interviewed on Wednesday or Thursday and we had 5 interviews with him, it makes me feel that Kelly was holding out for us but got the feeling we wanted Marrone. Again, JMO.

I know there's many similar posts and ideas in many other threads. I thought maybe this thread could combine them all so that we could talk about ALL the coaching hires and how we feel about them as a whole in this thread. That way we aren't talking about Pettine in the O'Neil threads, or Marrone in the assistant threads.

#5 swnybillsfan

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:03 PM

View Postmrags, on 09 January 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

My post too long for people to bother reading maybe? Or nobody cares. Who knows, maybe everyone is sucked into all the other 38 coaching staff threads.

Either way, I'm bumping my own post. Interested to hear what people say.
definately a lot of material to get through there, but you make some good points. i agree with the overall feeling here, i like the hire of coach marrone. i like the hire of a young and intelligent set of coordinators. the hackett hire seems like a good one to me because of the familiarity between the hc and his oc so it should be the right person to teach marrone's system to the team. and i like that they will have a certain degree of familiarity with a lot of the kids coming out in the draft. i am very excited to see how the rest of the staff fills out and to find out about the team philosophy on offense and defense.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

I would like to see the organization reach out to Pete Metzelaars, and try to retain him.  He really did a wonderful job in working to make the TE position relevant again in Buffalo, and you could actually see the development of Chandler and Smith from last year to this year, Smith with his footwork and positioning with his blocks and his ability to settle into space ion the recieving game, and Chandler with his tequnique in reading and finding the seam on his option routes.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

These guys are moving at a rapid pace!!

Edited by Ludwig van, 09 January 2013 - 01:56 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

Being out of the playoffs for 13 years, taking a risk and rolling the dice is worth it.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

I don't think we needed to rebuild.  We were on the cusp of being a playoff team.  Better QB play and better LB's and better play calling (more CJ!) and we could have been a wildcard team this year IMO.  I don't agree with any of the moves they have made so far.  I feel like we are starting over from scratch with this new coaching staff.  I would have been much more conservative and hired Lovie, a proven OC, and traded for a veteran QB and I think we would have made the playoffs next year.  Instead we are looking at yet another "rebuilding year" and a team that might be good 3 yrs or so down the line or might be back to square one again, especially if we end up starting a rookie QB.  It's anybody's guess.  We'll see!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Draft QB's in the 1st and 2nd rounds and it will be a success.  Just maximize their chances to hit on a successful QB and we are on our way.  The coaching staff looks much improved and frankly, it's not hard to follow that last act.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

I think we have been snookered by Russ once again.  Russ, if nothing else, is an expert at selling hope.   He understands that moves made boldly and swiftly are likely to be interpreted as sound moves.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

View PostLudwig van, on 09 January 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

These guys are moving at a rapid pace!!

8 posts and a how are we doing thread... Russ, is that you?

#13 KeisterHollow

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

LOVE IT!  Frankly, although I like the Patriots offense - especially now that they're running more - I just don't think the spread is as favorable as, say, the offense the 49er's run.  So, had Chip Kelly come in, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have immediate success.  That offense hinges so much on excellent QB play.  So, the fact that we've got a guy who, for one, WANTS to coach the Bills - that is hugely important!  The players would play much better if they wanted to be here, and weren't just here because they were drafted, or offered more than they could refuse.  That element of wanting to be there is big, and it'll help turn the team mentality around.  Secondly, his offense isn't set in stone - nor his overall team philosophy.  He has schemes and preferences, but he's not so arrogant that he'll try to force things.  Add to that he, I read, keeps things pretty simple.  That, too, is huge!  Rather than having an offense so complex our F.A. QB's cannot even make it on the field after being here a year, we're going to see a system that might have less plays, but the players will have mastered them, and will have confidence in them.  Again, that's huge!  Our K-Gun offense of old was said to have been pretty simple.  We need our players to be able to play fast.

I could go on and on - we'll see how it goes.  I'm happy with the hire.  My biggest desire out of the Bills, when it came to finding a coach, was that they find someone with intelligence, passion, and perspective.  We needed a coach who would stop at nothing to improve, a coach who's opinion of success wasn't the playoffs, but winning the Super Bowl.

Add to it he hires Pettine - perhaps the hottest available D.C., more so, I'd say, than even Rob Ryan or Horton.  This guy is going to get his chance to show the world that HE, not Rex, was the reason for the top defenses in NY.  That he'd go right to the best, and get him to come in, shows guts and it's the same thing I would have done.   What Bills fan doesn't want to see the Bills defense playing nasty, aggressive, and bone breaking?

Of course, it's all early and new, but I love it, and I think the Bills are going to be very relevant again, and consistently so!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

I question the OC hire....he may be too fresh..I would have liked it beeter having his father in as OC and him as QB coach......if it wasnt for his dad being who he was I would be even more livid.

Edited by djp14150, 09 January 2013 - 01:45 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

hard to tell right now, but i will give them this they are moving towards a more youthful staff.
I like that.
Marrone is 48 will be 49 in July. I was not very excited at first but like many others once i researched him more i am liking it more and more.
I think Hackett is very young but i also think he will be a good addition. i see his role being much like Marrones role with Payton while with the Saints.
Pettine is a great hire.
So far i like the moves. now they just need to find a couple of players in the key areas and the Bills should be something to watch in 2013.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

View Postkdiggz, on 09 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I don't think we needed to rebuild.  We were on the cusp of being a playoff team.  Better QB play and better LB's and better play calling (more CJ!) and we could have been a wildcard team this year IMO.  I don't agree with any of the moves they have made so far.  I feel like we are starting over from scratch with this new coaching staff.  I would have been much more conservative and hired Lovie, a proven OC, and traded for a veteran QB and I think we would have made the playoffs next year.  Instead we are looking at yet another "rebuilding year" and a team that might be good 3 yrs or so down the line or might be back to square one again, especially if we end up starting a rookie QB.  It's anybody's guess.  We'll see!

While I can understand how you got to your conclusion, I disagree.  I don't think there is really any evidence that we were on the cusp of being a playoff team.  We're drafting in the top 10, again; one of our best leaders (Kyle Williams) came out and said there are a lot of players on this team that don't give 100%, we severly underperformed for the talent (supposed) that we have on the team.

In my opinion, Lovie Smith is just another coach who was fired that also underachieved with the talent he had on his roster.  He couldn't win with a top 5 WR, top 5 RB, top 10 QB, and a top 5 D and we expect him to come here and win with a FA QB (or rookie) who will surely not be as good as Cutler (at least not right away), top 10-15 WR, a potentially top 5 back, and a D in shambles?  We need someone to come in and motivate, bring accountability, and bust some heads.  I think Marrone will do this.  It's not really that we're rebuilding, per se, it's that we're bringing in a new philosophy.  I hope he cuts guys, pisses guys off, and forces guys who don't buy in to leave.  Good riddance.

I agree with every move they've made so far (although am a bit scared on the OC front, but trust the judgement so far).

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

I believe the Bills are taking a step in the right direction.  HC Marrone was coveted by multiple teams and the Bills beat them all to the punch.  he brings in a fresh look built on discipline and accountability.  His selections of Mike Pettine as DC and Nathaniel Hackett as OC are in my opinions very good selections.  We needed a strong DC with NFL experience and Pettine meets that requirement.  The fact that he is extremely familiar with the AFC East is a huge bonus as that is where we really need to improve if we are to become a bonafide contender.  Also, bringing over the Jets DB coach is a big plus as the Jets secondary was one of the best in the league.

While the selection of Hackett may bring some criticism from some fans, remember that one thing many criticized Chan Gailey for was not be aware of his HC duties on game day since he was so immersed in his play calling.  Since coach Marrone is one with a very successful background on the offensive side, for him to feel comfortable not calling the plays requires having an OC on the same page as him.  Hackett and Marrone worked side-by-side for 2 years at Syracuse and while Marrone will still have significant input on the offensive game plan, he can trust Hackett to follow through with it and, thus, leave Coach Marrone to manage the entire team on game day which is something we have sorely missed.  I like the direction.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

View Postkdiggz, on 09 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I don't think we needed to rebuild.  We were on the cusp of being a playoff team.  Better QB play and better LB's and better play calling (more CJ!) and we could have been a wildcard team this year IMO.  I don't agree with any of the moves they have made so far.  I feel like we are starting over from scratch with this new coaching staff.  I would have been much more conservative and hired Lovie, a proven OC, and traded for a veteran QB and I think we would have made the playoffs next year.  Instead we are looking at yet another "rebuilding year" and a team that might be good 3 yrs or so down the line or might be back to square one again, especially if we end up starting a rookie QB.  It's anybody's guess.  We'll see!

Lovie is just like a Jauron or Gailey, there's a reason that they get fired.  The problem is we have Swung and missed on these so called "proven" guys, and have been hanging out in the cellar of the division for years now.

Rebuilding would Imply that we are rebuilding the roster, which we probably won't.  Those holes are still there, and I trust the new guy to address them more than Gailey or Lovie.

As for Marrone specifically, i like the fact that he actually WANTS this job.  Not just a job in the NFL as a head coach, but a job as the bills head coach.

GO BILLS!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

theres really no way to tell which way its going to go. with chip kelly out, the bills got the hottest up and comer available. but frankly, those guys fail more often than they succeed in their first gig so odds are actually against us. hiring a 33 yo rookie oc also makes me very nervous. pettine looks like a potentially solid hire but again being under ryan for so long means we wont know how he does with his own show until he actually does it

so yeah, a lot of energy now feels good but really its a roll of the dice and we are at least two years away from knowing if it comes up heads or tails

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

Cautiously optimistic.