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[Just in Atlanta]

After some debate in a previous thread about the Skins changing their name, I'm curious: What do the majority of TSW posters think?

Just one rule, as with "sentiment" polls in the future: Please do not respond to others' posts. Just vote, and offer your on-topic opinion if you want to.

There are many other threads where we can poke sticks in each others' eyes...

*Mods: I thought about putting this in PPP, but as this is an NFL policy issue, not a political one, I opted for here. Hope you agree.

**For the second question, you can select more than one.

Edited by Just in Atlanta, 13 January 2013 - 10:20 PM.

[KD in CT]

Buffalo Barbarian, on 13 January 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Notre Dame should change their name immediately as it is offensive to all us drunken Irish. (not attacking your post just saying I hate PC BS)

True Irish are proud of our drunkeness!  



p.s.  the "another example of a select "offended" few forcing their PC views on everyone" option captures my feelings perfectly.

[26CornerBlitz]

Some think it's always okay to denigrate and/or marginalize another people's culture, history, and heritage as long as it's not theirs.

Edited by 26CornerBlitz, 13 January 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[Rob's House]

Just in Atlanta, on 13 January 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

After some debate in a previous thread about the Skins changing their names, I'm curious: What do the majority of TSW posters think?

Just one rule, as with "sentiment" polls in the future: Please do not respond to others' posts. Just vote, and offer your on-topic opinion if you want to.

There are many other threads where we can poke sticks in each others' eyes...

*Mods: I thought about putting this in PPP, but as this is an NFL policy issue, not a political one, I opted for here. Hope you agree.

**For the second question, you can select more than one.

If this is a "senitment" thread shouldn't the tag be "sentiment" instead of "Redskins Name"?

[Punch]

If this poll were aimed at the specific group that is denigrated by the term, there would stand to be an interesting result. It's safe to assume, however, that the majority of respondents do not fit that criteria based on general population figures.

It's like asking fans from all 32 teams for their favorite NFL player and being surprised that a Buffalo Bill is not ranked #1.

So, what's the point?

[Captain Hindsight]

Dont really have a strong opinion either way. If they change it, I get it, if they don't, wont faze me

[KD in CT]

Punch, on 13 January 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

If this poll were aimed at the specific group that is denigrated by the term, there would stand to be an interesting result. It's safe to assume, however, that the majority of respondents do not fit that criteria based on general population figures.

It's like asking fans from all 32 teams for their favorite NFL player and being surprised that a Buffalo Bill is not ranked #1.

So, what's the point?

Were you not just whining about others trying to 'derail' the discussion in the other thread?  Obviously the only discussion you are interested in is one where everyone kowtows to your opinion.  

[Just in Atlanta]

Rob, on 13 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

If this is a "senitment" thread shouldn't the tag be "sentiment" instead of "Redskins Name"?

Hey--just a poll. The sentiment threads will be crucial Bills events only. Hopefully when we search for sentiment, or what ever the term will be, only a few posts will pop up rather than 100s.

Punch, on 13 January 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

If this poll were aimed at the specific group that is denigrated by the term, there would stand to be an interesting result. It's safe to assume, however, that the majority of respondents do not fit that criteria based on general population figures.

It's like asking fans from all 32 teams for their favorite NFL player and being surprised that a Buffalo Bill is not ranked #1.

So, what's the point?

Not to be sarcastic, but simply because I'm interested in the majority viewpoint here.

No illusions here that I'm Zogby.

Did I just break my own rule by responding to someone?

[NoSaint]

Should be changed, but it's not an issue ill get on the soap box about. Some things just belong in our past and not our future... The term "redskins" is one of them

[DrDareustein]

Doesnt bother me that much, but then again I'm not Native American, so what does my opinion matter? It doesnt.

If Irish people dont have a problem with the Fightin' Irish, or the Celtics, fine. But this isn't a team name like the Warriors, or Seminoles. this is like calling the team the Micks. It's the difference between naming a team the Ninjas versus the Chinamen. So if Native Americans have a problem with it, and want it changed, I understand.

I wont be surprised to have an overwhelming poll result of "Not a problem" and "PC-manufactured" given our main membership demographics.

[Punch]

KD in CT, on 13 January 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Were you not just whining about others trying to 'derail' the discussion in the other thread?  Obviously the only discussion you are interested in is one where everyone kowtows to your opinion.  

Everyone knows the score when it comes to your opinions. You are a hard line ideologue.

I'm not "whining" or derailing anything. I don't see the point of a poll, but I'm not calling for it to be closed.

A racial epithet is a racial epithet, which isn't arguable. Most don't think of it as such because the name has gained a 2nd more innocuous association over time, which is also not arguable.

Carry on with your crusade.

Just in Atlanta, on 13 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Not to be sarcastic, but simply because I'm interested in the majority viewpoint here.

No illusions here that I'm Zogby.

Did I just break my own rule by responding to someone?

I understand it in general I just don't think the result will go very far in determine whether its right or wrong to continue using the name.

[KD in CT]

Punch, on 13 January 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Everyone knows the score when it comes to your opinions. You are a hard line ideologue.

I'm not "whining" or derailing anything. I don't see the point of a poll, but I'm not calling for it to be closed.

A racial epithet is a racial epithet, which isn't arguable. Most don't think of it as such because the name has gained a 2nd more innocuous association over time, which is also not arguable.

Carry on with your crusade.

My crusade?  

No one has called for any threads to be shut down but that hasn't stopped you from whining about being 'shouted down' twice in the other thread.  And now you have a problem with someone starting a poll?   Yeah, carry on is right....

[DrDareustein]

Just in Atlanta, on 13 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Not to be sarcastic, but simply because I'm interested in the majority viewpoint here.

No illusions here that I'm Zogby.

Did I just break my own rule by responding to someone?

Bro, you have not yet figured out the majority viewpoint on this board for most things political/racial?

Edited by DrDareustein, 13 January 2013 - 01:43 PM.

[Just in Atlanta]

Please do not respond to others' posts for debate purposes.

This is a poll, not a debate. Here's one lively thread for pokin sticks.

[Punch]

KD in CT, on 13 January 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

My crusade?  

Yes, you are well known as a hard line politically ideological crusader.

I've been consistent: the point I'm making is that in merely acknowledging it is a derogatory term, we are not welcoming an Orwellian police state to determine all future thought and/or public opinion. That was clearly being peddled by some in the other thread.

Just in Atlanta, on 13 January 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Please do not respond to others' posts for debate purposes.

This is a poll, not a debate. Here's one lively thread for pokin sticks.

Sorry.

[NoSaint]

I will say the poll options are poorly constructed

[DrDareustein]

The first question of this poll should be "I am of Native American descent: Yes/No?" so we have an idea of where all of these answers are coming from and how valid these opinions are.

[voodoo poonani]

It's a private organization. I don't know if they get public money ala a stadium, if so that can change things. There are rules that govern that stuff.

As for the sentiment part, it all depends on how people interpret it.  Why would a team intentionally name themselves a derogatory phrase?  It wouldn't sell.  But they're portraying a fierceness, warrior mentality right? I may take pride in that like I know some Irish guys who took pride in ND. Would it matter if they chose a tribal name like Seminole?

Would anyone here be offended if a team was the "Darkies" or "ebonies"? What about "Massai", a warrior people in Africa?

"redbeards"?  Berserkers? a Scottish warrior.

"topknots"? Samurai?

Which are offensive, and which aren't?  Where's the line?

[T master]

This is just another result of the road our nation is taking, we have turned into a nation of lazy a** whiners that would rather sit & concentrate on things that we can complain about rather than doing something constructive !!