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#1 TheBuffaloBills

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

This guy in my opinion has the highest ceiling out of any QB in this draft.  As of right now, he is rated as a second round pick but he may soar up the boards with a good Senior Bowl and Combine.

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Pros:

Ideal size: 6'4 228lbs
Awareness and athleticism to shift around in the pocket very well
Strong arm with excellent deep ball accuracy
Can scramble for extra yards when needed
Can make throws on the run (Best in class)
Good production despite dismal OL
Very fluid delivery
Tough to bring down
Broke many school records and most of Big Ben's at Miami OH

Cons:

Occasionally forces passes
Not the fastest delivery
Will miss throws
Poor Win/Loss record

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The best trait that sticks out with Dysert to me is his ability to be deadly accurate while throwing on the run.  Dysert's stock would be a lot better if he had the supporting cast that Geno or Barkley had this past season.  To be honest, Barkley, Wilson, Nassib etc, do not seem like they'll ever be more than great and I don't think they'll be pro-bowlers.  Dysert is the one guy in this class that I could see having the potential to make the Pro Bowl year after year.  He has all the unteachable tools a great quarterback must possess. With good coaching, and some time to develop, I feel as if Dysert could emerge as the best QB to come out of this class.  I was a big fan of Russell Wilson last year at this time, and disliked Blaine Gabbert and Jimmy Clausen when they came out, so let's see if my success at evaluating QB's continues with my predictions on Dysert.  I really hope the Bills spend a second on this guy.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

Been touting this kid for months now, think he is going to be a stud...broke most of Rothlisberger's records and reminds me a lot of him...some of the throws I saw him make were throws Fitz would Jack off over being able to make...

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

My #1 qb in this draft.  Id take him at #8.  I see he got a late invitation to the senior bowl.  Ill certainly be tuned in

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

This is the guy I think they are targeting.  Whaley mentioned him in an interview with WGR back in midseason and I thought it was interesting considering the other usual suspects that he was talking about.  I think Geno Smith has the most upside of any QB in the draft, but Dysert is a close second IMO.  His supporting cast is awful and he put up pretty good numbers at Miami, OH.  The game they played against Ohio State his receivers were dropping everything.  He also passes the eye test in that he just looks like a QB.  I don't see the Big Ben comparison but I definitely see alot of Aaron Rodgers/Andrew Luck in him.  He isn't a sure thing though but no QB in this draft is.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

NO WAY !!  He's another Fitzpatrick !!

Just kidding of course.  This is an interesting idea fer sher.  Thanks.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

We have seen this season the complete transformation a team can enjoy if they get the right QB. And it also seems that rookie QBs can flourish just as well as 2-4 year vets. The fact that 2nd and 3rd QBs are doing so well is going to even raise their premium higher. That said, I really believe that if the Bills are targeting a QB with their 1st pick, whoever he may be, they better pay to move up.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:21 PM

This kid never made my radar screen.  After watching those two highlight reels I'm pretty impressed.  Thanks for the heads-up I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

I watched a bunch of his highlights against teams Miami, Ohio got thrashed by.  He stayed pretty composed and just kept making plays while being flushed out of the pocket.  He really is good at making plays while on the run.  I like what I see so far.  Can't help but wonder how good he could be with time to throw.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

I happened to watch one of their games out of the blue this season.   I believe it may have been against Ohio State and he was very impressive.   As soon as I saw him throw the ball I thought to myself "damn why can't we have a QB in Buffalo that throws like that?"

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

View Postkas23, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

We have seen this season the complete transformation a team can enjoy if they get the right QB. And it also seems that rookie QBs can flourish just as well as 2-4 year vets. The fact that 2nd and 3rd QBs are doing so well is going to even raise their premium higher. That said, I really believe that if the Bills are targeting a QB with their 1st pick, whoever he may be, they better pay to move up.

A lot can happen between now and the Pre-Draft evaluations, but there currently sn't a QB out there that is a can't miss prospect like Luck or RG3, and I don't anticipate any QB's stock to skyrocket at from combine/pro day.  

We should spend our first pick addressing our new Defensive scheme, then take a qb in the second or third.  Next year, if we still don't have our QB answered, then we should sell house for Teddy Bridgewater or even Tahj Boyd if he has a killer season.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:33 PM

I'd take Dysert...as long as he is the 2nd round QB Buffalo takes in this draft.  I'd rather the Bills select Glennon, Nassib or Wilson at #8.  Bring in two young QBs please.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

I'm fine with Marrone, Nix, Whaley and co., taking anyone at any time - but, I'd LIKE to think Marrone will look at all the available QB's coming out of college, and the available QB's in the NFL via trade or free agency, and IF he sees one or more that fit the bill, that he believes he can win it all with, that he'll go out and get that QB first thing.  If they think the QB is good enough to take a team all the way - which to me means top 12 or so in the NFL (the top 10-12 QB's in the NFL are all very good, certainly not holding their teams back) - then grab him and don't risk someone else getting him.

However - if they see a guy like Dysert and think, "we could probably make him a good QB", and feel the same way about a few different QB's in the draft, while Pettine is thinking - "get me this kid in round 1", then I'd be okay with the Bills going defense first, and trying for the QB later.

I just am done with crap QB's with this team - as a fan, I'm sick of seeing anything but extremely high level of play out of the QB position.  I mean, THIS IS THE NFL!!!  Our QB should be able to throw the ball anywhere he wants.  Be that as it may, I still don't want the Bills to waste a pick on a guy who can't be that for us.  If there simply is no QB able to win big with available, then take what the draft offers - there are stars to be had.

As I see it, I have a handful of QB's I'd like the Bills to go after in this draft, and I'd be happy with any of these, as I think they all look like they could be Franchise QB's in the right system: Geno Smith, Glennon, Nassib, Dysert, Bray, and Wilson.  As for Barkley - I just don't know; I'm weary of west coast QB's, and wary of weak armed QB's, but I'm no expert.  If Nix and Co., think he's good enough to make all the throws in Buffalo, then I say add him to that list.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Someone mentioned this kid a week ago and I really like him.
He reminds of a certain no. 12 who played for the Bills. Time to find the next Jimbo.
I was hoping to nab him in the second round and take Ogletree or Jones from Georgia in the first.
But if he lights up the Senior Bowl, watch out!

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:45 PM

Anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible. He excels when putting zip on the ball across the middle. That's it. He can't make throws along the sidelines. He sails the ball on a lot of throws. I wouldn't touch him before the fourth.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

View PostDStebb716, on 13 January 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible. He excels when putting zip on the ball across the middle. That's it. He can't make throws along the sidelines. He sails the ball on a lot of throws. I wouldn't touch him before the fourth.

I see you have Glennon listed in your sig mock. What makes you so confident that he's a better pro prospect than Dysert?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

View PostDStebb716, on 13 January 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible. He excels when putting zip on the ball across the middle. That's it. He can't make throws along the sidelines. He sails the ball on a lot of throws. I wouldn't touch him before the fourth.

We've debated this before.  C'mon man, I showed you a couple areas where you at least had to think about changing your position on him.  Plus how the hell do you say "anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible, but I'd draft him in the fourth round"?  You don't take anybody you think is terrible in the fourth round.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

View Postmatter2003, on 13 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Been touting this kid for months now, think he is going to be a stud...broke most of Rothlisberger's records and reminds me a lot of him...some of the throws I saw him make were throws Fitz would Jack off over being able to make...

The only reason he broke any of Big Ben's records (which was basically only yards) was because he played 4 seasons vs. Ben's 3. Even so, Ben still had more TD passes, and a QB rating almost 20 points higher. Oh, and Big Bens last season they went 13-1, Dysert (as a senior) went 4-8. I'm sorry, but there is no way that a QB who goes 4-8 in the MAC, regardless of the talent on the rest of the team, is going to be a successful NFL QB.

Any comparison to Big Ben is idiotic.

Edited by Mark80, 13 January 2013 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostTriple Threat, on 13 January 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

We've debated this before.  C'mon man, I showed you a couple areas where you at least had to think about changing your position on him.  Plus how the hell do you say "anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible, but I'd draft him in the fourth round"?  You don't take anybody you think is terrible in the fourth round.

I call him terrible to go the exact opposite of those who mentioned him in the same breath as Jim Kelly above and a few others. He's not a good pro prospect, but he's got potential as a good backup and/or a long-term project. We don't have that convenience.

View PostTim Anderson, on 13 January 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

I see you have Glennon listed in your sig mock. What makes you so confident that he's a better pro prospect than Dysert?

Glennon can make ANY throw. ANY throw you want him to make, he can make it. I'm not saying he WILL make it EVERY time, but he's completely capable. He worked with some of the worst talent I've ever seen at the D-1 level from the WR position this season and still excelled. He's clutch. He made a lot of big throws and led an NC State team to wins when they shouldn't have been winning. He's got GREAT pocket awareness. Outside-the-pocket mobility wise, I'd put him near the bottom of the starters group around someone like Matt Ryan, but his in-pocket mobility is phenomenal.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

View Postmatter2003, on 13 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Been touting this kid for months now, think he is going to be a stud...broke most of Rothlisberger's records and reminds me a lot of him...some of the throws I saw him make were throws Fitz would Jack off over being able to make...

How much do those college records really matter?  AVP broke most of Marino's records at Pitt.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:31 PM

View PostMark80, on 13 January 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:



The only reason he broke any of Big Ben's records (which was basically only yards) was because he played 4 seasons vs. Ben's 3. Even so, Ben still had more TD passes, and a QB rating almost 20 points higher. Oh, and Big Bens last season they went 13-1, Dysert (as a senior) went 4-8. I'm sorry, but there is no way that a QB who goes 4-8 in the MAC, regardless of the talent on the rest of the team, is going to be a successful NFL QB.

Any comparison to Big Ben is idiotic.
his record is a very good point. I know nothing about this kid and he could certainly light it up. But if someone is really that good, they should be destroying everyone in the Mac. Not just break a couple school or Mac records. If his record is what you say it is, then it should certainly be looked into.





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