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#1 AmishRifle

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:57 AM

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I don't post very often but I ran across an article linked below that provides some background and the overall concept of the New England offense.  I don't completely agree with the author's premise that the simplification of an offense's play call in the huddle has directly attributed to their success but I thought the X's and O's discussion provided some valuable insight.  The article is also applicable to the Jets as they've just hired a West Coast Offense OC.  Hope you enjoy.

http://www.grantland...-brady-patriots

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:45 AM

Viewed article and scanned some plays.  Impressive.  I watched AFC Playbook on NFL channel and they broke down some NE offensive plays.  Very impressive, efficient and hard to defend.  No wonder they win year in and year out.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

Everything goes in cycles.  During the Kelly days (sigh as they are such ancient history) the K Gun was supposedly built on 10 basic plays.  The Bills just dared teams to try to beat their talent and to maintain tempo.  Worked well in all but one game each season.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

View PostAmishRifle, on 19 January 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

All,
I don't post very often but I ran across an article linked below that provides some background and the overall concept of the New England offense.  I don't completely agree with the author's premise that the simplification of an offense's play call in the huddle has directly attributed to their success but I thought the X's and O's discussion provided some valuable insight.  The article is also applicable to the Jets as they've just hired a West Coast Offense OC.  Hope you enjoy.

http://www.grantland...-brady-patriots

Go Bills!

Interesting read, thanks for the link.

1) I don't see how it's applicable to the Jets as they aren't running an E-P offense?  And even less likely with the hire of a WC OC?
2) The Bills were also running a version of an E-P offense but much less effective, even factoring in a lesser QB.  It seemed very complex to many.
    Thoughts?

Marrone has a decided preference for an up-tempo offense.  Any idea how his offense/Hacketts would be described?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:38 AM

wasn´t there a thread on how chan used this exact offense?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

View Postplayman, on 19 January 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

wasn´t there a thread on how chan used this exact offense?

Yes, but Chan discovered it does not work as well if Tom Brady is not your QB.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:50 PM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 19 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Yes, but Chan discovered it does not work as well if Tom Brady is not your QB.

Hilarious!  :D :D :D

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 19 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:



Yes, but Chan discovered it does not work as well if Tom Brady is not your QB.

Minor details....

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:31 PM

I think another part of NE's success is that they typically go after intelligent players - perhaps at the expense of superior physical talent.  Because they know football is a team sport.  If the guys on the field actually understand the principles they're being taught, and are intelligent enough to know their function in the whole, then you've got a 11 brains functioning in one body.  I applaud them for that.  Having Brady as the unquestioned leader doesn't hurt, either.  That is what I've been hoping for in Buffalo since our glory days - intelligence, and a killer instinct.  And, coincidentally, those are the two things I like most about our new staff - Marrone comes off as very intelligent, and Pettine has a very nice killer instinct.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:43 AM

any Articles on the breakdown of the Marrone-Hackett offense?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

Nice read.

But their offense clicks mostly because of 1) they protect well 2) Brady is great moving in the pocket 3) Brady's accuracy and ability to throw a catchable ball and 4) they execute

These things were true even when the Pats didn't operate fast.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:10 AM

Why do I think Tom Brady would do just fine in any offense?  Just grin and take it.  He is the best QB of all time.  Only Montana is in his league.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:53 AM

had the impression that that was the point chan failed to notice :D

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

Anyone get Pat Kirwin's book and audio? Jim Miller does a segment on how Chan condensed that offense to call two plays in the huddle. Interesting discussion.