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Does Alex Carrington get better under Pettine? Or regress


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#1 John from Hemet

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

because of yet another DC and scheme change?

Alex Carrington was really starting to get it towards the end of last season....would really like to see him take that next step.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 28 January 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

because of yet another DC and scheme change?

Alex Carrington was really starting to get it towards the end of last season....would really like to see him take that next step.

Stretch of a topic.  Impact of scheme change way overrated, especially on defense.  If a guy can play, he can play.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:36 PM

View Postmetzelaars_lives, on 28 January 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Stretch of a topic.  Impact of scheme change way overrated, especially on defense.  If a guy can play, he can play.

Hmm disagree strongly here, scheme and coach change often means that it starts to click in the second year, certainly not right of the bat. Especially considering the time it takes to develop LBs and how weak we are there which means new blood incoming on LB. Surely we'll be a far better D next year  but I'd seriously doubt it will be top 5 material yet. The year after I'm hopefull though.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 28 January 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

because of yet another DC and scheme change?

Alex Carrington was really starting to get it towards the end of last season....would really like to see him take that next step.

I think Carrington will be fine, and I expect to see him continue to improve...I think he's going to get a ton of PT in 2013...He's one of a small handful of players on Defense I'm actually excited about...Like Pettine said they are going to build a Defense around the talent...I'm not worried...Carrington should have a big role... B-)

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Improve in what way?
I do not see him as a break out NFL star but I can see him making plays and getting more time this year.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

As long as he is on the field for every FG and PAT attempt by the Bills' opponents I'm fine with it.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

IM STILL trying to figure out if the defense is going to be a,3-4..4-3...4-4.or a 4-6?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

View Posttombstone56, on 28 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

IM STILL trying to figure out if the defense is going to be a,3-4..4-3...4-4.or a 4-6?

Then you STILL must not be listening to anything Mike Pettine says.

(hint:  multiple fronts, multiple looks, not defined as anything in particular)

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

View Posttombstone56, on 28 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

IM STILL trying to figure out if the defense is going to be a,3-4..4-3...4-4.or a 4-6?

According to Pettine, the answer is 'Yes'. That being said, this team is ill suited for a 3-4. No logical NT and no good linebackers (was Carrington tried at LB?).  I think Carrington is one of the few defensive players drafted for the 3-4 that make sense. I think he will start and be a fixture for the Bills defense in 2013. Even more so than Kyle Williams.  Carrington is a prototypical 3-4 end who can slide inside on passing downs.  Huge jump under Pettine's defense.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

View Posteball, on 28 January 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

As long as he is on the field for every FG and PAT attempt by the Bills' opponents I'm fine with it.

Yup.  He's a beast on STs.  He has value for that reason alone.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

Everyone on this defense gets better. New DC will make them better, I'm assuming his defensive game plans will not be from 1994. The team also has a head coach instead of someone that doesn't really pay attention to the defense.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Get better.  Carrington was one of the few bright spots on the defense. He had a real good year.  :flirt:

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

I can't imagine anyone getting worse due to Pettine.  The fact that we won't line up in a grand total of 3 different alignments during the course of the game will help confuse the offense and our guys will produce better due to that IMO.  Watching our alignments last year made me almost as ill as watching fritz throw a deep ball.  Every offense knew exactly what we were doing on every play.  Read and react.  The pressure will be on the opposing offenses now and our talented DLine will reap the benefits.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

View Posttombstone56, on 28 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

IM STILL trying to figure out if the defense is going to be a,3-4..4-3...4-4.or a 4-6?

Btw - it's not a "4-6" it's a "46".  The number 46 refers to one of the Bears' safety's jersey number when Buddy Ryan ran this scheme back in 1985.  The flexible play of this safety was the key to a lot of the scheme.

They don't really use 6 LB's.  Thank goodness, because the Bills don't have 2 LB's worth starting right now.  :rolleyes:

Edited by BobChalmers, 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

As long as they don't play him at LB like Edwards did then it's up to him.  He's as qualified to be a 3-4 DE as a 4-3 DT.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:48 PM

View PostJPS, on 28 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

According to Pettine, the answer is 'Yes'. That being said, this team is ill suited for a 3-4. No logical NT and no good linebackers (was Carrington tried at LB?).  I think Carrington is one of the few defensive players drafted for the 3-4 that make sense. I think he will start and be a fixture for the Bills defense in 2013. Even more so than Kyle Williams.  Carrington is a prototypical 3-4 end who can slide inside on passing downs.  Huge jump under Pettine's defense.
I'm not holding my breath, but I read a report that Troup's back has been fixed. I'm always skeptical of back injuries being fixed, but I was also skeptical of Peyton Manning's neck being fixed. If it's true though there's still an outside shot he could be productive. He looked real strong at first.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

Shouldnt we have cut Carrington last TC? I thought he sucked and would never amount to anything

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:02 AM

The new coaching may actually help Alex. The Jets ran a lot of complex fronts and they put guys in positions to get mismatches. And the guys most helped by their defense were usually bigger guys with quickness and versatility. I think Carrington will be helped, it helps that he played in both 3-4 and 4-3 alignments.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:56 AM

I think he continues to grow . The guy was brought in as a DE to play in a 3/4 but thn he was asked to bulk up to play the position he is now DT.

He is finally figuring out his new position & with a good coach like Pettine i think he just continues to be a good player for the Bills !!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:14 AM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 28 January 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

because of yet another DC and scheme change?

Alex Carrington was really starting to get it towards the end of last season....would really like to see him take that next step.

He can only get better, he played good in an out dated system he will play great in our aggressive new scheme.