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#1 papazoid

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:07 AM

The 2011 labor deal allows teams to carry over unused salary-cap space. Or to not carry it over.

the Bills "can" carry over $9.8 million if they so choose ....which would be in addition to the unadjusted cap number, which is expected to be in the vicinity of $121 million per team.


Team-by-team available cap adjustments for 2013:

http://profootballta...ments-for-2013/

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:33 AM

This is the first year each tam has to spend to 90% of the cap is it not? If so, wonder if carry over money gets included in that number?

With that floor, Levitre might indeed become a very rich man

Edited by plenzmd1, 07 February 2013 - 06:47 AM.


#3 MattM

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

From what I've read, we can be in very good cap shape this year if we carry this $ over--it looked like only 6-7 other teams had more $ than we did, and for the first time in a while, there were a number of teams, like the Jets and Saints, who were in very bad cap shape....

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:09 AM

Time to find out if Brandon's comments about "sparing no expense" to turn the Bills around was just lip service...

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:44 AM

Dwayne Bowe in 2013!!!!

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

But, is this "carried over" unused money going to continued to be carried over or is it just for the 2013 season? If not, if we used this money, we'd be in trouble in 2014.

Plus, how did the Eagles ever get do much extra cap space. Didn't they spend anything to assemble their "dream team"? That's some good cap management apparently.

Edited by kas23, 07 February 2013 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:21 AM

2013 NFL Cap Space
Team Carryover $ Total Cap Space Arizona $3.6M ($723,000) Atlanta $307,000 $4.9M Baltimore $1.2M $15.7M Buffalo $9.8M $20.6M Carolina $3.6M ($11.8M) Chicago $3.2M $13.3M Cincinnati $8.5M $55.1M Cleveland $14.3M $48.9M Dallas $2.3M ($18.2M) Denver $11.5M $18.5M Detroit $486,000 ($1.1M) Green Bay $7M $7.1M Houston $2.4M $12.9M Indianapolis $3.5M $46M Jacksonville $19.5M $22.1M Kansas City $14M $16.1M Miami $5.3M $35.8M Minnesota $8M $16.1M New England $5.6M $18.6M New Orleans $2.7M ($14.7M) NY Giants $1M ($4.7M) NY Jets $3.4M ($19.4M) Oakland $4.5M ($4.5M) Philadelphia $23M $5.2M Pittsburgh $758,000 ($10.8M) San Diego $995,000 $8.7M San Francisco $859,000 $3.9M Seattle $13.2M $18.6M St. Louis $247,000 $1.8M Tampa Bay $8.5M $31.3M Tennessee $12.8M $19.4M Washington $4.2M ($4M)

http://nfltraderumor...am-cap-space-6/

Edited by papazoid, 07 February 2013 - 08:20 AM.


#8 jjmac

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:29 AM

View Postpapazoid, on 07 February 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

The 2011 labor deal allows teams to carry over unused salary-cap space. Or to not carry it over.

the Bills "can" carry over $9.8 million if they so choose ....which would be in addition to the unadjusted cap number, which is expected to be in the vicinity of $121 million per team.


Team-by-team available cap adjustments for 2013:

http://profootballta...ments-for-2013/

View Postpapazoid, on 07 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

2013 NFL Cap Space
Team Carryover $ Total Cap Space Arizona $3.6M ($723,000) Atlanta $307,000 $4.9M Baltimore $1.2M $15.7M Buffalo $9.8M $20.6M Carolina $3.6M ($11.8M) Chicago $3.2M $13.3M Cincinnati $8.5M $55.1M Cleveland $14.3M $48.9M Dallas $2.3M ($18.2M) Denver $11.5M $18.5M Detroit $486,000 ($1.1M) Green Bay $7M $7.1M Houston $2.4M $12.9M Indianapolis $3.5M $46M Jacksonville $19.5M $22.1M Kansas City $14M $16.1M Miami $5.3M $35.8M Minnesota $8M $16.1M New England $5.6M $18.6M New Orleans $2.7M ($14.7M) NY Giants $1M ($4.7M) NY Jets $3.4M ($19.4M) Oakland $4.5M ($4.5M) Philadelphia $23M $5.2M Pittsburgh $758,000 ($10.8M) San Diego $995,000 $8.7M San Francisco $859,000 $3.9M Seattle $13.2M $18.6M St. Louis $247,000 $1.8M Tampa Bay $8.5M $31.3M Tennessee $12.8M $19.4M Washington $4.2M ($4M)

http://nfltraderumor...am-cap-space-6/

So, does this mean we have $20.6M with or with out the carryover?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

Am I reading that correctly?!? The Browns have $48 Million in cap space?!?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:44 AM

View PostCanadian_Bills_Fan, on 07 February 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Am I reading that correctly?!? The Browns have $48 Million in cap space?!?

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And the Bangles have $63 M. It also shows that it was very rare for a team to spend right up to the cap, so I don't expect to see an all out spending frenzy come March.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:46 AM

View Postkas23, on 07 February 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

But, is this "carried over" unused money going to continued to be carried over or is it just for the 2013 season? If not, if we used this money, we'd be in trouble in 2014.

Plus, how did the Eagles ever get do much extra cap space. Didn't they spend anything to assemble their "dream team"? That's some good cap management apparently.


The Eagles have almost always been great with their cap.

I believe it was the Eagles and Vikings that were the first to know how to really work the system of the cap.

Edited by dollars 2 donuts, 07 February 2013 - 08:47 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:00 AM

View Postkas23, on 07 February 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

But, is this "carried over" unused money going to continued to be carried over or is it just for the 2013 season? If not, if we used this money, we'd be in trouble in 2014.

Plus, how did the Eagles ever get do much extra cap space. Didn't they spend anything to assemble their "dream team"? That's some good cap management apparently.

Easy - use the extra cap this year with salary and roster bonus and reduce signing bonuses or year two salaries some.... more money hits this year and we get some bargains down the line

Edited by NoSaint, 07 February 2013 - 09:01 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostNoSaint, on 07 February 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Easy - use the extra cap this year with salary and roster bonus and reduce signing bonuses or year two salaries some.... more money hits this year and we get some bargains down the line

lol....I was just in the process of posting the exact same thing. :thumbsup:

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:21 AM

How would this fit into the "cash-to-cap" accounting scheme?  Or is the team done with that?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

View PostRuntheDamnBall, on 07 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

How would this fit into the "cash-to-cap" accounting scheme?  Or is the team done with that?

I guess the queston is whether the Bills will do a similar carry over system with their C2C left over money.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:36 AM

View PostRuntheDamnBall, on 07 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

How would this fit into the "cash-to-cap" accounting scheme?  Or is the team done with that?

I have not heard the "C2C" used for some time. I think they probably went over C2C last year when they signed Williams and Anderson. That said, I haven't heard them say they were abandoning C2C either. So, it probably in Ralph's back pocket because Ralph Is Cheap.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

View PostRuntheDamnBall, on 07 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

How would this fit into the "cash-to-cap" accounting scheme?  Or is the team done with that?

that would be the definition of C2C. The signing bonus that eats up future years but is paid immediately would be the non-conforming approach

View Postkas23, on 07 February 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:



I have not heard the "C2C" used for some time. I think they probably went over C2C last year when they signed Williams and Anderson. That said, I haven't heard them say they were abandoning C2C either. So, it probably in Ralph's back pocket because Ralph Is Cheap.

i think its gone, but not forgotten. they have been using big signing bonuses... you have to if you want to have any premiere players... but they also generally seem to structure the less premiere contract to follow the C2C concept.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

View Posteball, on 07 February 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Time to find out if Brandon's comments about "sparing no expense" to turn the Bills around was just lip service...
My dream wish list:
1. Re-sign Levitre and Byrd
2. FA  Dwayne Bowe and Chris Canty
3. Jarvis Jones in the 1st round and  EJ or Barkley or Tyler WIlson in the 2nd Round and a ton of LBs in 3,4,5 will do a  world of good for this team.

EJ to CJ or SJ....Awesome.

Edited by ganesh, 07 February 2013 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

Question. If the Bills do carry over the 9.8M, that would mean a $130M plus. Do they have to spend to 90% of $130M or 90% of the $121M?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostNoSaint, on 07 February 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

that would be the definition of C2C. The signing bonus that eats up future years but is paid immediately would be the non-conforming approach



i think its gone, but not forgotten. they have been using big signing bonuses... you have to if you want to have any premiere players... but they also generally seem to structure the less premiere contract to follow the C2C concept.
I dont think its gone or forgotten, just not spoken much in the media. Alot of teams use it and its a smart idea.

View PostDr. Trooth, on 07 February 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Question. If the Bills do carry over the 9.8M, that would mean a $130M plus. Do they have to spend to 90% of $130M or 90% of the $121M?
I would assume that the NFL would make it that they have to spend 90% of the salary cap, which is the $121 million because it would make it an equal amount for all teams in the league. But if teams are going to use the carry over amount, they would already be spending more then 90% of the $121 million anyways