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#1 dcjoev

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:11 AM

With Jacksonville & Oakland suddenly throwing out smokescreens about drafting Geno Smith, the Bills chances look bleak, if he is truly at the top of their QB board. But what are the chances the Bills offer up a trade that doesn't include tossing away multiple picks (including future 1st rounders) like the Redskins had to do last year to move up from Pick 6 to #2 for RG3?

Now, please hear me out, because I'm posting this to get some honest opinions from those who think Buffalo has no choice but to do "everything they can" to land Geno.

I've already read through previous posts about the pros and cons of drafting Geno. I've read the ones that say the Bills should stay at 8 and draft the BPA. I've been part of the conversation about drafting Matt Barkley or waiting til Round 2 or trading back into the lower first round to draft Nassib. And I've advocated taking our shot at Wilson, Glennon, Manuel, Jones and even Scott. But that's not what this post is about.

It's about finding the ammunition to trade up for the highest-rated QB in the draft, who could be the Face of the Bills franchise for the next decade.

Buffalo has two Pro Bowlers it can offer up that would be hard for the Jags and Raiders to pass up.

Jacksonville's interior line just lost free agent DT Terrance Knighton, who signed with Denver. The Jags also released underperforming safety Dawan Landry.

Meanwhile, the Raiders just cut starting free safety (and former 1st rounder) Michael Huff. And they're going to be desperate to replace the pathetic Tommy Kelly and unrestricted free agent Richard Seymour, who may be as good as gone by the weekend.

Want more proof? 7 out of 9 mock drafts on NFL.com have the Raiders taking Florida DT Shariff Floyd or Utah'a Star Lotulelei, if his heart condition checks out.

So, why can't the Bills flip flop picks and offer up either Kyle Williams or fellow 2-time Pro Bowler Jarius Byrd? If they have to kick in a second-rounder and a future pick, so be it.

Obviously, Williams health is in question, as he awaits minor surgery on his right foot. But according to him, it's not nearly as bad as his left one was and he should be 100% by training camp.

As for Byrd, he can still be traded (despite the franchise tag) because the Bills have the right to rescind his tender, at any time, if he hasn't signed it. So far, Byrd hasn't signed it (and doesn't actually have to until a June 15th deadline). In addition, Buffalo mysteriously used the non-exclusive franchise tag on Byrd. That means Jarius is free to talk to and negotiate with any team he wants to, until he signs his tender. It normally means the Bills can match any offer and if they don't, they'd receive 2 first-round draft choices by Byrd's new team.

But instead of doing that, Buffalo could work out a 'move-up' trade with Jacksonville or Oakland that includes Byrd, the rescinding of his tag and the waiver of the two first-round picks that the trade partner would normally have to relinquish. In exchange, the Bills would get their man, Geno Smith!

Edited by dcjoev, 15 March 2013 - 01:13 AM.


#2 rayray808

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:14 AM

the only way you do a trade like that, is if the QB's name is Andrew or Robert the third... not Geno

#3 Dragonborn10

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:22 AM

Kyle Williams is not worth dropping 6 picks in the draft - even this one.  He is coming off one foot surgery and may need another(I never heard if he had surgery on his other foot last year).  He has been a non-facotr ever since getting his big contract too.  

Byrd is a true talent and the Bills have very little.  The only way he gets moved is if a long term deal can not be worked out.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:24 AM

Unless Kyle Williams has been taking deer antler velvet all offseason, he's tradeable to me. His career is starting to look so much like the end of Schobel's its scary.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:23 AM

It would be bad enough that Buffalo used the #8 for a 2nd round quarterback, now you want to give up a top Buffalo player as well?

Ah, I don't thik so.....

Edited by HOUSE, 15 March 2013 - 05:23 AM.


#6 mrags

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:25 AM

Nobody is trading for Kyle Williams he's old slow overpaid overrated.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:33 AM

View Postmrags, on 15 March 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

Nobody is trading for Kyle Williams he's old slow overpaid overrated.

Cut Him !!!! I heard Troupe was bench pressing 700, 30 times!!!!

#8 jcbillsfan

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:37 AM

i agree williams seems to have hit the wall

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:38 AM

Nobody wants Kyle Williams.... Trade the 8th pick for a Mid/End first rounder and an additional 2nd. Draft  Jarvis Jones in the first, then get Barkley/Nassib and Deandre Hopkins in the second..... My master plan, that wont happen

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:41 AM

View PostAus Bills, on 15 March 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Nobody wants Kyle Williams.... Trade the 8th pick for a Mid/End first rounder and an additional 2nd. Draft  Jarvis Jones in the first, then get Barkley/Nassib and Deandre Hopkins in the second..... My master plan, that wont happen
You assume Jones is going to fall to the middle of the 1st round.  I doubt that will happen.  And what is the one player someone will covet at #8 to  give their 1st and 2nd  for ?

View Postjcbillsfan, on 15 March 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

i agree williams seems to have hit the wall
May be the Bills need to stop putting more former players on the Wall.  That wall is just getting too strong year after year!!! making it difficult for the players to get over it :rolleyes:

#11 billsrcursed

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:19 AM

This thread confused the **** out of me...well done.

#12 JinWPB

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:35 AM

Ah yes, Kyle Williams, our new "lightning rod", LOL . Get Real.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:56 AM

View Postmrags, on 15 March 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

Nobody is trading for Kyle Williams he's old slow overpaid overrated.
Now that is harsh. Probably true, but harsh.

#14 HamSandwhich

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:17 AM

I dont understand the hate for Kyle Williams, he's been our anchor in the middle, and was very good last year.  Disruptive as usual.  I dont get the hate.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:19 AM

View PostHamSandwhich, on 15 March 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

I dont understand the hate for Kyle Williams, he's been our anchor in the middle, and was very good last year.  Disruptive as usual.  I dont get the hate.

When the line you are anchoring is 32 and 31 against the run for the past two seasons,  he definitely deserves some criticism.

#16 simpleman

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:28 AM

I could not disagree more. I think we need to trade down to get more picks to fill our overwhelming major holes. No QB this year is really worth a round one pick. They may be picked in the first round by foolish, desperate teams (like the Bills), but none is worth the gamble of having enough value in the 1st round based on their true worth. As far as trading Byrd, we might ultimately end up having to do that , but only as a last resort if it appears there is no way to sign him long term.  Yes, Kyle unfortunately appears to be at the wrong end of his game and is heading into decline, so for the right player or pick I would trade him before he loses value, but only if that pick or player was a solution to a hole,  while not creating yet another hole we don't have a competent player to fill.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:32 AM

I'm not sure Gino is worth an 8 pick straight up.  Trading up to get him is insane.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

View PostHamSandwhich, on 15 March 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

I dont understand the hate for Kyle Williams, he's been our anchor in the middle, and was very good last year.  Disruptive as usual.  I dont get the hate.

You don't get it.  If Kyle Williams was cut today, no team would sign him.  He just gets voted to pro bowls because he looks like Peter Griffin and not because of his play.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:56 AM

A bunch of crazies up in here... http://i.imgur.com/Lb6Gh.gif

#20 flutie5

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:57 AM

I hope we don't trade anybody. We can get a quarterback in the second. We need all the pieces we can get in the draft but trading up in not a option.