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#1 Coach Tuesday

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

http://insider.espn....two-full-rounds

8

Jonathan Cooper
Buffalo Bills (6-10)


COLLEGE: North Carolina
AGE: 23
HT: 6-2
WT: 311
POS: G



Analysis: The Bills actually have a good foundation on the offensive line. They should feel pretty good about four of their five starters up front. Unfortunately, they lost left guard Andy Levitre to the Titans in free agency, which could really hurt, particularly for a run game that should be strong. Cooper is a great guard, a player capable of challenging for a trip to Hawaii as a rookie. Given the situation at QB, the Bills should take advantage of the opportunity to fill the biggest void they have up front.

EDIT: my hope is that some savvy person at OBD (yeah right, I know) planted this seed in Kiper's hairnest in order to scare the Cowboys (who covet Cooper) into trading up to 8, allowing us to trade down and get the guy we *really* want (Manuel?)...

Edited by Coach Tuesday, 04 April 2013 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostCoach Tuesday, on 04 April 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

http://insider.espn....two-full-rounds

8

Jonathan Cooper
Buffalo Bills (6-10)


COLLEGE: North Carolina
AGE: 23
HT: 6-2
WT: 311
POS: G



Analysis: The Bills actually have a good foundation on the offensive line. They should feel pretty good about four of their five starters up front. Unfortunately, they lost left guard Andy Levitre to the Titans in free agency, which could really hurt, particularly for a run game that should be strong. Cooper is a great guard, a player capable of challenging for a trip to Hawaii as a rookie. Given the situation at QB, the Bills should take advantage of the opportunity to fill the biggest void they have up front.

EDIT: my hope is that some savvy person at OBD (yeah right, I know) planted this seed in Kiper's hairnest in order to scare the Cowboys (who covet Cooper) into trading up to 8, allowing us to trade down and get the guy we *really* want (Manuel?)...

i agree (with you, not Kiper).  though i really want O-line help too.  i certainly don't feel good about 4 line spots.  i feel pretty good about 2 (though neither is dominant), okay about RG.  there is no LG and i don't like Pears.

point is, there is no one i love at 8 if the OT's are gone.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

And this illustrates the problem with the Bills, they are always running in place. With the # 8 pick they take a guard to replace a very good guard they let go (Levitre). Even if this guy is a good pick, it's unlikely he will be as good (and as durable) as Levitre, at least in his first two years. So your #1 pick doesn't really improve your team at all; you are just running in place.

That's not to say the Bills should have matched the mega contract the Titans gave Levitre. The Bills should have extended Levitre in year 2 or 3, when it was apparent that he was a solid player. But to finally make a good draft choice (Levitre), live through his growing pains and then lose him after just 4 years as he enters the prime of his career illustrates just how bad this front office is, and why it has been so long since we made the playoffs.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:47 AM

View Postvegas55, on 04 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

And this illustrates the problem with the Bills, they are always running in place. With the # 8 pick they take a guard to replace a very good guard they let go (Levitre). Even if this guy is a good pick, it's unlikely he will be as good (and as durable) as Levitre, at least in his first two years. So your #1 pick doesn't really improve your team at all; you are just running in place.

That's not to say the Bills should have matched the mega contract the Titans gave Levitre. The Bills should have extended Levitre in year 2 or 3, when it was apparent that he was a solid player. But to finally make a good draft choice (Levitre), live through his growing pains and then lose him after just 4 years as he enters the prime of his career illustrates just how bad this front office is, and why it has been so long since we made the playoffs.

Except this hasn't yet happened.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

View PostCoach Tuesday, on 04 April 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

EDIT: my hope is that some savvy person at OBD (yeah right, I know) planted this seed in Kiper's hairnest in order to scare the Cowboys (who covet Cooper) into trading up to 8, allowing us to trade down and get the guy we *really* want (Manuel?)...
Buddy Nix?  No chance.  Just not his style.
If Brandon is involved at all then you have a hope.  He is a schemer. But not good ole boy Buddy.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

View PostCoach Tuesday, on 04 April 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:



Except this hasn't yet happened.

But it's happened before, and the loss of Levitre hurts this team whether a guard is chosen first or not.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

Probably the worst possible selection you could have.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View PostCoach Tuesday, on 04 April 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

http://insider.espn....two-full-rounds

8

Jonathan Cooper
Buffalo Bills (6-10)


COLLEGE: North Carolina
AGE: 23
HT: 6-2
WT: 311
POS: G



Analysis: The Bills actually have a good foundation on the offensive line. They should feel pretty good about four of their five starters up front. Unfortunately, they lost left guard Andy Levitre to the Titans in free agency, which could really hurt, particularly for a run game that should be strong. Cooper is a great guard, a player capable of challenging for a trip to Hawaii as a rookie. Given the situation at QB, the Bills should take advantage of the opportunity to fill the biggest void they have up front.

EDIT: my hope is that some savvy person at OBD (yeah right, I know) planted this seed in Kiper's hairnest in order to scare the Cowboys (who covet Cooper) into trading up to 8, allowing us to trade down and get the guy we *really* want (Manuel?)...


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

A guard at 8 is a wasted pick. If they don't go QB at 8, the I'd take a corner or LB.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:06 PM

I would be disgusted with this pick. I can't fathom a OG at 8 but at least go after Warmack if they're dead set on it. They should have just resigned Levitre if that's whats in store for our 1st.

I still don't get why everyone, everywhere I read, thinks our line is in desperate shape. I think it is the strength of the offense. We don't need to spend a top 10 pick on a fricken guard. If anything, they need to trade down and get extra picks. I'm sure Cooper will be there in the late teens.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

I'm still saying no way the Bills go OG at #8...It really makes no sense from a philosophy standpoint...And I've made this argument here already when McShay's Mock came out...These guys are just matching biggest UFA loss to BPA on their board and going with it...They're ignoring the fact that the Bills do not value the OG position the way some teams do...If they did, they would have paid Levitre...And again Buddy has said on several occasions the Bills don't Draft OG's, they Draft OT's and move them in to OG if they can't cut it on the edge...In fact even Doug Whaley said the same when asked about Cordy Glenn before the 2012 Draft...

So anyway...I don't think for a second the Bills will take an OG at #8...You never want to say never, especially when Buddy is in charge...No telling what he is capable of screwing up...But I really don't believe it's a possibility...Kiper and McShay should do just a little bit of homework and look at what each team believes from a philosophy standpoint before they assign picks...If they did, their Mocks would be far more accurate...As if they care... B-)

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:13 PM

View PostCoach Tuesday, on 04 April 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:



Except this hasn't yet happened.
Well if Community college graduate Mel Kiper says it, it must be true. Lets do the math. Bills lose a guard, they mush draft a guard, slick back hair get paid millions.

It's laughable how much stock put into guys like Kiper & Mayock. They have a combined 0 years in a NFL front office. They miss more than they hit but they have 0 accountability. It's purely entertainment but folks treat it as gospel. It's silly.

For the record, if the Bills draft a G at 8, I'm burning down the Ralph.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:17 PM

View PostBangarang, on 04 April 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Probably the worst possible selection you could have.
I've noticed in the last few years that a lot of mocks have the Bills taking players tens of picks sometimes multiple rounds higher than they are rated it's insulting but I guess that's the treatment you get when you have the longest current streak of non-playoffs in the NFL

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

View Post....lybob, on 04 April 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

I've noticed in the last few years that a lot of mocks have the Bills taking players tens of picks sometimes multiple rounds higher than they are rated it's insulting but I guess that's the treatment you get when you have the longest current streak of non-playoffs in the NFL

Seriously. Imagine how pissed we'd be if they drafted Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick earlier than Mel Kiper had them going. I'd be so pissed.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

Three Syracuse players in top 47. Surprised?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

I would be very unhappy if the Bills select a guard at 8 with so many other glaring needs that need to be addressed.
Serviceable guards are fairly easy to find.   Now, if we were a superbowl contending team and our only open starting spot was at G, then this pick would be great.    We don't have the luxury of wasting a top 10 pick on a G. WR or LB at 8, please.   I'd even settle for the Top TE, but please no OG.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:31 PM

View Postvegas55, on 04 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

And this illustrates the problem with the Bills, they are always running in place. With the # 8 pick they take a guard to replace a very good guard they let go (Levitre). Even if this guy is a good pick, it's unlikely he will be as good (and as durable) as Levitre, at least in his first two years. So your #1 pick doesn't really improve your team at all; you are just running in place.

This is a 'mock' draft. The Bills haven't actually selected anyone.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:35 PM

A guard at 8 would be a mistake period.  If you look around the league there are really good guards that have come in the mid to late rounds as well as undrafted.  It just is not that difficult of a position to fill (even this front office has had a good amount of success in finding guys).  There are other positions that you cannot say the same thing about.  When was the last time that you saw a really solid street free agent rush the passer?  Play QB or CB (Jabari Greer is the only exception that I can think of)?  I am advocating that you do not draft guard because there are other needs that are harder to fill later.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

If its not a qb at 8 then they should trade back a couple spots...

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:50 PM

View PostC.Biscuit97, on 04 April 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Seriously. Imagine how pissed we'd be if they drafted Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick earlier than Mel Kiper had them going. I'd be so pissed.
Mock drafts and real drafts don't have much in common - but many of these guys who put out mock drafts also put out big boards and rate players- to me if that mock draft has your team and your team only taking guys rated 25-30 with the 8th pick and guys rated 110-140 with the 41st pick (not talking about Kiper per say) it's a not too subtle way of saying he thinks your team is incompetent.

Edited by ....lybob, 04 April 2013 - 12:58 PM.