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#1 Dragonborn10

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

I was a supporter of Fitz and believe he could have succeeded if Gailey featured more Spiller and less Fitz.  He was good enough to make the playoffs last year if not for a historically bad defense.  And yes it was Graham's fault they lost against New England.  

My take - is Kolb an upgrade over Fitz?

9-12 in 21 starts, 59% comp%, 28 TD, 25 INT, just over 5000 career yards

23-41, 59%, 92 TD 81 INT, 14K yards

Neither one has a cannon arm.

Did they just replace the same guy with a cheaper option???  I think all they have done is replace a guy who had a limited ceiling with a guy we hope was limited more by Arizona's offensive line than his own abilitities...  Flame away at my loyalty to Fitz. I will hope Kolb does well and I would honeslty rather have him than Flynn, Alex Smith, or even Caron Palmer.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

This is the first I've heard of this comparison.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostDadonkadonk, on 05 April 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

I was a supporter of Fitz and believe he could have succeeded if Gailey featured more Spiller and less Fitz.  He was good enough to make the playoffs last year if not for a historically bad defense.  And yes it was Graham's fault they lost against New England.  

My take - is Kolb an upgrade over Fitz?

9-12 in 21 starts, 59% comp%, 28 TD, 25 INT, just over 5000 career yards

23-41, 59%, 92 TD 81 INT, 14K yards

Neither one has a cannon arm.

Did they just replace the same guy with a cheaper option???  I think all they have done is replace a guy who had a limited ceiling with a guy we hope was limited more by Arizona's offensive line than his own abilitities...  Flame away at my loyalty to Fitz. I will hope Kolb does well and I would honeslty rather have him than Flynn, Alex Smith, or even Caron Palmer.

No flame, just bottom line you are comparring apples to Oranges. Kolb = worst OL in the NFL, non debatable, and no running game.  Fitz = had a damn good OL (top 5 most likely) and a great running game and sucked.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:36 PM

Well Alex Smith would be my first choice and was the bills first choice too but can't blame them for not wanting to give up the picks so Kolb is my second choice !

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

View PostQCity, on 05 April 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

This is the first I've heard of this comparison.
I looked.  Was it posted elsewhere?  I was in Europe when he was signed and haven't had a cahnce to add my meaningless two cents...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

View PostDadonkadonk, on 05 April 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

I was a supporter of Fitz and believe he could have succeeded if Gailey featured more Spiller and less Fitz.  He was good enough to make the playoffs last year if not for a historically bad defense.  And yes it was Graham's fault they lost against New England.  

My take - is Kolb an upgrade over Fitz?

9-12 in 21 starts, 59% comp%, 28 TD, 25 INT, just over 5000 career yards

23-41, 59%, 92 TD 81 INT, 14K yards

Neither one has a cannon arm.

Did they just replace the same guy with a cheaper option???  I think all they have done is replace a guy who had a limited ceiling with a guy we hope was limited more by Arizona's offensive line than his own abilitities...  Flame away at my loyalty to Fitz. I will hope Kolb does well and I would honeslty rather have him than Flynn, Alex Smith, or even Caron Palmer.

kolb likely isnt going to be worlds different. or he wouldnt be a cheap, free agent, stopgap/plan b (hopefully) option.

he might be a little better... hes certainly a lot cheaper... and sometimes, you just have to turn the page even if you dont gain a ton by doing so.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

I personally think that Kolb has a better arm then Fitz

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

Its a good question.  If you asked me 2 years ago, I might say Fitz, who by the way I also supported.  It is hard to say what happened to Fitz toward the end of his tenure with Buffalo.  His accuracy suffered.  Maybe Lee (QB coach) messed him up ?  Hard to say.  He tried to carry the team on his shoulders, but just couldn't get er done.  I like Fitz and wish him all the best.  He's a good man.

Bottom line is we'll find out.  What I read is Kolb is well suited to the offense Buffalo (allegedly) plans to run.  He has a decent line.  A decent running game.  He needs more targets though.  He's hungry and wants to prove himself.  I am of the opinion he has a good coaching staff.  I anticipate a "dink and dunk" type offense.  Hopefully an efficient one.

So...If I had to guess, and I was a gambling man I'd say that this upcoming season Kolb is probably a better QB...for us.  He might even be our starter 1st half of the season.  Likely will be in fact.

For now we can only speculate.  Me...I hope he's a hundred times better than Fitz !!!!  That would make me real happy.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

I personally think that Kolb has a better arm then Fitz

generally, there are a few gifts he has that caused him to go 36th in the draft instead of 250th.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

Shall I jab a shard of glass in my left eye or the right??

Kolb is a legitimate starter...Fitz was a legit starter (he was ranked in the middle in QB rating)...but these guys are both bandaids until the Messiah (Manziel) arrives next year.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:49 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

I personally think that Kolb has a better arm then Fitz
I personally think you have a better arm than Fitz. And I don't know anything about your arm. But from what I saw of Fitz Ill take my chances.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

I personally think that Kolb has a better arm then Fitz

Kolb has a much better arm then Fitz and doesn't have to jerk his entire body just to throw it 10 yards

Kolb just hasn't been able to stay healthy

There is a lot more to comparing players then just their stats as well

Edited by Max997, 05 April 2013 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

I didn't just compare stats.  I took Arizona's line into consideration.  In those stats are also a bunch of starts with Andy Reid calling the plays.

I agree with what appears to be the consensus...stop gap guy, will be interesting to see how he does with a better O-line and new coaching staff, but much worse WR's...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

The similarities between the two are eerie.

For example:

Both Kolb and Fitz are 4-letters long.

Kolb played for Arizona, Fitz lived in Arizona.

Fitz's nickname is "The Amish Rifle," Kolb once bought a rifle from the Amish.

Kolb killed a boar by stabbing it in the heart (true story) while Fitz bored the heart out of Bills' fans for the past 2 years.

Fitz was a 7th rd pick, Kolb once threw 7 picks in one game (may or may not be true).

Both men have spouses named after singing stars - Liza for Fitz, Whitney for Kolb.

Fitz went to Harvard, an ivy league school, as a child, Kolb had ivy growing on his school.



It is clear that Fitz=Kolb and Kolb=Fitz.

Spooky...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostChevyVanMiller, on 05 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

The similarities between the two are eerie.

For example:

Both Kolb and Fitz are 4-letters long.

Kolb played for Arizona, Fitz lived in Arizona.

Fitz's nickname is "The Amish Rifle," Kolb once bought a rifle from the Amish.

Kolb killed a boar by stabbing it in the heart (true story) while Fitz bored the heart out of Bills' fans for the past 2 years.

Fitz was a 7th rd pick, Kolb once threw 7 picks in one game (may or may not be true).

Both men have spouses named after singing stars - Liza for Fitz, Whitney for Kolb.

Fitz went to Harvard, an ivy league school, as a child, Kolb had ivy growing on his school.



It is clear that Fitz=Kolb and Kolb=Fitz.

Spooky...
Welcome back Crayons! :thumbsup:

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:22 PM

View Postbeerme1, on 05 April 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Welcome back Crayons! :thumbsup:

I believe he is working under a name with a couple of 4s in it, but the post was Crayonz inspired, so I'll accept the compliment. :)

Edited by ChevyVanMiller, 05 April 2013 - 05:23 PM.


#17 JimS

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostChevyVanMiller, on 05 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

The similarities between the two are eerie.


It is clear that Fitz=Kolb and Kolb=Fitz.

Spooky...

LOL Well done!

#18 Ryan L Billz

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:35 PM

I vote for none of the above......Tarvaris or Genotime baby.               Kolb and Fitz are both donks.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

Trick question,right?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:58 PM

View PostNoSaint, on 05 April 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

kolb likely isnt going to be worlds different. or he wouldnt be a cheap, free agent, stopgap/plan b (hopefully) option.

he might be a little better... hes certainly a lot cheaper... and sometimes, you just have to turn the page even if you dont gain a ton by doing so.
Is he really cheaper when you factor in the $10 million we have to pay Fitz this year for not playing for us?  He'd better be a significant upgrade to justify the overall cost of this move.