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#1 ny33

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:48 PM

http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team

8) Ezekiel Ansah
41) Keenan Allen
71) Ryan Nassib

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:49 PM

View Postny33, on 17 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team

8) Ezekiel Ansah
41) Keenan Allen
71) Ryan Nassib

Wow...I'm no Kiper fan, but if that happened, I would be very, very happy.  Tons of potential there.

That said, I think the chances are 0.00000000000000000000001%

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

That draft would get Buddy Nix a spot on the wall at the Ralph

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

We are NOT a team that should be looking at Ansah in the 1st. I really hope the organization learned something from the Flowers & Maybin picks & drafting pass rushers with "high potential".

If Ansah goes to a good team where he can be a situational pass rusher & learn behind solid vets, he could really develop. If he came here and is expected to be a solid starter right away, high flop potential.

That said, if we replace the Ansah pick with some other top-10 defensive player, A+++ draft.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:23 PM

Except Nassib isnt gonna last that long

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

View Post947, on 17 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

We are NOT a team that should be looking at Ansah in the 1st. I really hope the organization learned something from the Flowers & Maybin picks & drafting pass rushers with "high potential".

If Ansah goes to a good team where he can be a situational pass rusher & learn behind solid vets, he could really develop. If he came here and is expected to be a solid starter right away, high flop potential.

That said, if we replace the Ansah pick with some other top-10 defensive player, A+++ draft.

Yeah cause we don't have any "solid vets".  We only have crappy Mario Williams, Anderson, and now Lawson.  We would desperately need him to come in and be our number one pass rusher.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:25 PM

Interestingly, he has, in this mock, Detroit trading up to #1 and grabbing Dee Milliner.

Geno Smith is the only first round QB, drafted by the Eagles in a trade-up to #25; Barkley is drafted with the first pick of the second round.

Edited by ny33, 17 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:50 PM

That's a bad mock.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:54 PM

View Postny33, on 17 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team

8) Ezekiel Ansah
41) Keenan Allen
71) Ryan Nassib

Dear Mel Kiper, you are an idiot and if you were worth a damn you would be making multi millions for an NFL Team.

That said, there is no way in hell Nassib is there at #71. He will be gone in the first

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

Ugh...Information in the lead up to the draft is disseminated and reported on thanks to agents and agents alone. I know for certain the Kiper has ties to agents and that's what gives him a shred of credibility...but Ansah--while he seems like a great story--having only started nine games, having never heard of football until 2010 it the complete antecedent to Nix's formula.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostKellyto83TD, on 17 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Dear Mel Kiper, you are an idiot and if you were worth a damn you would be making multi millions for an NFL Team.

That said, there is no way in hell Nassib is there at #71. He will be gone in the first

I hear that argument about Kiper a lot.  I think some of you dudes over estimate what a scout earns.

That's all Kiper is doing, scouting college prospects.  He's not picking coaches, or scouting pro players,  calling Tampa Bay's GM back on the phone or the stuff you need a smart and savvy operator like Buddy Nix for.

It's safe to say that Mel is money-ahead NOT being an NFL scout.

View Postny33, on 17 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team

8) Ezekiel Ansah
41) Keenan Allen
71) Ryan Nassib

My heart would love to see the Bills take Ansah at 8.  He is a very high risk, very high reward player.  Incredibly physical tackler, great range and strength to set the edge as a 3-4 OLB.

But my head knows that if you don't have a QB, you are essentially doooooomed to failure.   So this mock really makes no sense when Kevin Kolb is at the top of your depth chart.   I know some people are holding out hope that Kolb stays healthy and does something after 3 years of being Arizona's Trent Edwards but without using the benefit of hindsight......can anyone remember the Bills depth chart at QB looking so un-promising?   Gotta' take a chance on a QB.  A good starting QB would be worth more to the franchise than 10 straight pro-bowls from Ansah.

Edited by BADOLBEELZ, 17 April 2013 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:20 PM

View Post947, on 17 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

We are NOT a team that should be looking at Ansah in the 1st. I really hope the organization learned something from the Flowers & Maybin picks & drafting pass rushers with "high potential".

If Ansah goes to a good team where he can be a situational pass rusher & learn behind solid vets, he could really develop. If he came here and is expected to be a solid starter right away, high flop potential.

That said, if we replace the Ansah pick with some other top-10 defensive player, A+++ draft.

Solid vets like Mario Williams

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

View PostBADOLBEELZ, on 17 April 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

I hear that argument about Kiper a lot.  I think some of you dudes over estimate what a scout earns.

That's all Kiper is doing, scouting college prospects.  He's not picking coaches, or scouting pro players,  calling Tampa Bay's GM back on the phone or the stuff you need a smart and savvy operator like Buddy Nix for.

It's safe to say that Mel is money-ahead NOT being an NFL scout.



My heart would love to see the Bills take Ansah at 8.  He is a very high risk, very high reward player.  Incredibly physical tackler, great range and strength to set the edge as a 3-4 OLB.

But my head knows that if you don't have a QB, you are essentially doooooomed to failure.   So this mock really makes no sense when Kevin Kolb is at the top of your depth chart.   I know some people are holding out hope that Kolb stays healthy and does something after 3 years of being Arizona's Trent Edwards but without using the benefit of hindsight......can anyone remember the Bills depth chart at QB looking so un-promising?   Gotta' take a chance on a QB.  A good starting QB would be worth more to the franchise than 10 straight pro-bowls from Ansah.

I don't mind takin' a shot on a QB, but I don't believe it MUST be done @ #8.  There's a good chance they could end up w/ another Blaine Gabbert, Akili Smith, or even Sanchize by goin' so high for one.  Do your research on the guys who should be there in Rounds 2 or 3.

Seriously folks, the draft does not conclude w/ the 32nd pick.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostR. Rich, on 17 April 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

I don't mind takin' a shot on a QB, but I don't believe it MUST be done @ #8.  There's a good chance they could end up w/ another Blaine Gabbert, Akili Smith, or even Sanchize by goin' so high for one.  Do your research on the guys who should be there in Rounds 2 or 3.

Seriously folks, the draft does not conclude w/ the 32nd pick.
There really are so few though. People should forget about using Russell Wilson as an example, it was a total fluke of a player that is likely to never happen again. Kaepernick is the only example in the last few years of a 2-3 rounder who is really a serious potential franchise guy.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:37 PM

View PostR. Rich, on 17 April 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

I don't mind takin' a shot on a QB, but I don't believe it MUST be done @ #8.  There's a good chance they could end up w/ another Blaine Gabbert, Akili Smith, or even Sanchize by goin' so high for one.  Do your research on the guys who should be there in Rounds 2 or 3.

Seriously folks, the draft does not conclude w/ the 32nd pick.

The problem is that its essentially impossible to get a franchise QB after roughly pick 35.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:06 PM

View PostRamius, on 17 April 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

The problem is that its essentially impossible to get a franchise QB after roughly pick 35.


Very difficult, I grant you, but not impossible.  It would be better if there were more prospects to feel really good 'bout in regards to QBs.  I just don't feel comfortable w/ the prospect of passin' up a good player somewhere else to gamble on any of this year's QB early.  I've seen enough of the Bills draftin' for need and leavin' guys like Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork available for others.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 17 April 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Except Nassib isnt gonna last that long

Even Kiper agrees with you: "I wouldn't project Nassib to last that long in the real draft, but in this one I'm about maximizing value, and I have him with a late second-round grade."

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostRamius, on 17 April 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

The problem is that its essentially impossible to get a franchise QB after roughly pick 35.
granted, but there seems to be a contingent on here who seems to think if you take Nassib  with the 8th pick then he will be a franchise QB but if you take him at 41 or 71 then he will be a bum- as if the act of taking a QB early makes that QB better rather than you take a QB early because you evaluate that QB as superior to other QBs  not only in a particular draft but also to other QBs in the NFL now.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

View Post....lybob, on 17 April 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

granted, but there seems to be a contingent on here who seems to think if you take Nassib  with the 8th pick then he will be a franchise QB but if you take him at 41 or 71 then he will be a bum- as if the act of taking a QB early makes that QB better rather than you take a QB early because you evaluate that QB as superior to other QBs  not only in a particular draft but also to other QBs in the NFL now.
Perhaps it's because NFL scouts and GMs know a wee bit more than message board posters, and if player X has a decent chance at all to be a franchise QB, one of the people with actual jobs doing this will take him in the first round.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

i dont get this ziggy ansah love. what has he done in actual games?