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#1 Coach Tuesday

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

Here is something that might blow your mind (I know it blew mine): CJ Spiller had a higher # of broken tackles, and a higher broken tackle percentage per play, than Marshawn Lynch did last year:

http://www.footballo...en-tackles-2012

Just something to chew on.

#2 Kelly the Dog

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

Interesting stuff, although broken tackles is a little misleading as it includes complete jukes where the defender doesn't touch the ballcarrier.

Spiller was actually second in the whole league with a significant amount of touches, over 250.

I can't wait to see Spiller this year in this offense.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

No wonder he was winded!

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

Completely different backs.  Lynch is smashmouth and Spiller is finesse.  Both are good players.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:15 PM

We should never have run Marshawn out of town.  He just needed time to grow up.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

View PostMr. Wonderful, on 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Completely different backs.  Lynch is smashmouth and Spiller is finesse.  Both are good players.

And FJ is a nice hybrid between the two of them...can find gaps like nobody's business, then power to the second level.  Too bad he looked over the hill last year, adding onto injury.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostMr. Wonderful, on 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Completely different backs.  Lynch is smashmouth and Spiller is finesse.  Both are good players.

It's almost as if you didn't read my post.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:37 PM

View PostMr. Wonderful, on 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Completely different backs.  Lynch is smashmouth and Spiller is finesse.  Both are good players.

Completely...  They are both good running backs.  I understand why the bills moved lynch, but he's been an asset to Seattle and cj is an asset in buffalo.  Comparing the two is an exercise in irrelevance.

Beyond that, every decision made within the context of the old coach, system and offense whether right or wrong at the time don't matter in any way now.

I can clearly see stability with coaching and the systems is a cornerstone to personnel success.  The bills defense clearly exemplifies this.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:40 PM

View Postover 20 years of fanhood, on 29 April 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Completely...  They are both good running backs.  I understand why the bills moved lynch, but he's been an asset to Seattle and cj is an asset in buffalo.  Comparing the two is an exercise in irrelevance.

Beyond that, every decision made within the context of the old coach, system and offense whether right or wrong at the time don't matter in any way now.

I can clearly see stability with coaching and the systems is a cornerstone to personnel success.  The bills defense clearly exemplifies this.
Except the ONLY comparison was to how many tackles they broke or avoided/eluded. They're both running backs. Breaking and avoiding/eluding tackles is their reason for existence. Why is that irrelevant?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:19 PM

Lynch is good, Spiller is on a completely different level than he is tho...Spiller could be the successor to AP

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

View PostKelly the Dog, on 29 April 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Interesting stuff, although broken tackles is a little misleading as it includes complete jukes where the defender doesn't touch the ballcarrier.

Spiller was actually second in the whole league with a significant amount of touches, over 250.

I can't wait to see Spiller this year in this offense.

+1. He is the heart and soul of this offense. I hope Hackett really understands the importance of this kids talent to this team.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:53 AM

View Postjumbalaya, on 29 April 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

We should never have run Marshawn out of town.  He just needed time to grow up.
i don't know if he would have done that here. i loved marshawn on the field, but he was definately not doing himself any favors off of it in buffalo. i loved to watch him play since he gave everything he had and refused to go down after first contact, but he was just such a bonehead, the guy was constantly making horrible decisions. maybe it took a change of scenery for him.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:03 AM

View Postswnybillsfan, on 30 April 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

i don't know if he would have done that here. i loved marshawn on the field, but he was definately not doing himself any favors off of it in buffalo. i loved to watch him play since he gave everything he had and refused to go down after first contact, but he was just such a bonehead, the guy was constantly making horrible decisions. maybe it took a change of scenery for him.
And probably better coaching.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:01 AM

tackling was lacking for a lot of teams last season.

Lynch could move a pile of players a few yard,   CJ uses speed and agility to slip tackles.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:21 AM

As a big Lynch fan who gave him chances, you have to be the biggest Bills' hater to blame them for Lynch.  He gave the Bills no other options.  He destroyed his trade value and embarassed the franchise.  He was always a good rb and hopefully, he is finally maturing.  Good on him if he is.

But Spiller keeps his nose clean and has special moves/ speed.  He is a potential homerrun every time he touches the ball.  As a guy who wasn't a fan of the pick, I'm very happy he has shown elite skills.  And with top 10 picks, you need to find elite no matter the positon.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

I guess it's my fault for not specifying the point of my OP.  The reason I posted the article is because it's widely assumed that Spiller is a finesse back, and Marshawn excels at breaking tackles.  I, for one, was surprised to learn that Spiller was actually better than Marshawn at breaking tackles last year (in addition to his incredible speed/explosiveness/etc.).

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:39 AM

Joique Bell had more broken tackles per touch than either CJ or Marshawn.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:42 AM

It does speak to effectiveness.  Spiller is more of a threat to break a big run than Marshawn.  Who cares how the tackle was broken.  Just that he got past the defensive players.

View Posthondo in seattle, on 30 April 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Joique Bell had more broken tackles per touch than either CJ or Marshawn.
with how many carries?  Was it a number similar to Lynch, or Spiller.... Or more like Felix Jones's numbers?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:42 AM

I notice that Buffalo was 7th in the NFL in broken tackles.  Apparently, we have/had some dynamic playmakers.  We just needed someone to hand them or throw them the ball.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:58 AM

View Postjumbalaya, on 29 April 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

We should never have run Marshawn out of town.  He just needed time to grow up.

Um --- Marshawn ran Marshawn out of town the Bills didn't have any thing to do with it . The fans maybe ?

Couple that with Marshawn being a big city boy in a smaller city like B/Lo & he never would have been happy here & you could tell it just by the way he looked in interviews he didn't want to be here !!

After he got in trouble the second time he was never the happy go lucky guy he was the first year in !!

All concerned are better off !!