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Seems like a number of Cardinal players are badmouthing Kolb


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#1 BillsWatch

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:00 PM

Before it was a WR and now it is a DE is bad mouthing Kolb:
http://www.nfl.com/n...-have-a-real-qb

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"I think it's very likely we can win the division, yes," Campbell told CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman. "I respect every opponent in our division. Every one. But I think of it this way. We were able to hang in a bunch of our division games without a real quarterback.

The Cardinals remain a long shot in the West, but Campbell's right -- watching Kolb give way to (Buffalo Barbarian's favorite player) John Skelton, Ryan Lindley and Brian Hoyer was akin to witnessing a 53-person vehicle slam into a brick wall. Over. And over. And over.

Bills players are not bad mouthing Frtiz so is that a sign of how bad Kolb was perceived in Arizona or Fritz just got more respect from Bills players?

#2 kr632

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

Wasnt Arizona winning games with kolb before he got hurt

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

EJ is the future.  The future is now.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

We'll learn soon enough what Kolb has to offer.  Players beating him up is classless and the coaches of Arizona should let them know that.

Joe Montana would have gotten hurt behind that line in Arizona in all liklyhood.  If they are gonna beat on anyone thats who they should be beating on.

He brings Veteran experience to the position here in Buffalo.  Frankly, I think the starting job is his to lose.

I just want to see improvement this year...across the board.  Thats all I ask at this juncture.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:22 PM

In case you didn't know, Fitz went to Harvard or Yale or something....that might be why the Bills don't badmouth him.  I think it was Yale as I recall. :)

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:22 PM

I don't know that he was necessarily talking about Kolb. He could very well have been referring to the 3 other scrubs that started last year. The Cards were winning when Kolb was playing.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

View PostBillsWatch, on 14 July 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Before it was a WR and now it is a DE is bad mouthing Kolb:
http://www.nfl.com/n...-have-a-real-qb


Bills players are not bad mouthing Frtiz so is that a sign of how bad Kolb was perceived in Arizona or Fritz just got more respect from Bills players?

Or simply a sign we have quality guys and az should just stop talking about ex players to make excuses for past failings.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:30 PM

View PostRob, on 14 July 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

I don't know that he was necessarily talking about Kolb. He could very well have been referring to the 3 other scrubs that started last year. The Cards were winning when Kolb was playing.

Yes.

FWIW (and it might not be a whole lot), none of the QB criticisms have mentioned Kolb by name.

This at least has to be mentioned.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

I would of preferred we kept Fitz here for 1 more season to groom and help EJ along instead of bringing in Kolb, but the fans already tied the noose around Fitz

Yes Fitz had his issues and weaknesses, but he has proven to be a better QB then Kolb when you compare careers...

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:56 PM

It'll be the same result, their offensive line is still terrible and Carson Palmer is about as mobile as Drew Bledsoe was. Anyone can look like an all star in shorts and no pads, if anything the biggest change is going to be the coaching.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostSnorom, on 14 July 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

I would of preferred we kept Fitz here for 1 more season to groom and help EJ along instead of bringing in Kolb, but the fans already tied the noose around Fitz

Yes Fitz had his issues and weaknesses, but he has proven to be a better QB then Kolb when you compare careers...

To the bolded. I believe you are wrong.

I think the fans would have accepted Fitz as a bridge QB/mentor/placeholder.

But the even before the Nix-Dominick phone call, Fitz had said that he was "a starter in the NFL" and it became clear he wasn't going to remain with the Bills if the club viewed him as a stopgap.

I think the decision was Fitz' more than anyone else's.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:01 PM

Did anyone watch the game against the Bills?  Did you see Kolb's performance in that game?  If I were an Arizona fan or player, if that performance was at all typical of his yearly performance I'd be badmouthing him too.  He was horrible.  Now, was it his fault? I don't know.  His O-line was horrendous and their was massive pressure etc.  But it's not exactly like he was doing much to help it out.  He looked like he sucked.  We just have to hope that he is better suited to our system and our players and maybe he was banged up mentally and physically last year and those things were the reasons for his very poor performance.  We also have to hope that EJ emerges early and can at least get enough of the team's confidence in him that they are content to rally behind him, especially the veterans.  These are my hopes anyway.

Edited by The Voice of Truth, 14 July 2013 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostBillsWatch, on 14 July 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Before it was a WR and now it is a DE is bad mouthing Kolb:
http://www.nfl.com/n...-have-a-real-qb


Bills players are not bad mouthing Frtiz so is that a sign of how bad Kolb was perceived in Arizona or Fritz just got more respect from Bills players?
I don't know. I think it's possible that you are reading way to much into this. The fact is that they didn't have a franchise QB last season at any point. They started more than a few QBs after Kolb if I remember correctly.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostSan Jose Bills Fan, on 14 July 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

To the bolded. I believe you are wrong.

I think the fans would have accepted Fitz as a bridge QB/mentor/placeholder.

But the even before the Nix-Dominick phone call, Fitz had said that he was "a starter in the NFL" and it became clear he wasn't going to remain with the Bills if the club viewed him as a stopgap.

I think the decision was Fitz' more than anyone else's.

Correct, he wanted more guaranteed money in his restructured contract.  He was afraid the Bills would cut him at the end of training camp and he would be jobless this upcoming season.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

View Postkeepthefaith, on 14 July 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

EJ is the future.  The future is now.
No wine before its time.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

The terrible O line excuse is tired and a cop out. A good and decisive QB does well behind any line. I recall the year Brady was hurt in game one and his replacement ended up being sacked 40+ times that year, while that same O line had given up the least amount of sacks the year before,when Brady was the QB.

I hope for the best with Kolb, but his history of taking lots of sacks is not encouraging - very Rob Johnsonish if you ask me.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:42 PM

View PostWIDE LEFT, on 14 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

The terrible O line excuse is tired and a cop out. A good and decisive QB does well behind any line. I recall the year Brady was hurt in game one and his replacement ended up being sacked 40+ times that year, while that same O line had given up the least amount of sacks the year before,when Brady was the QB.

I hope for the best with Kolb, but his history of taking lots of sacks is not encouraging - very Rob Johnsonish if you ask me.

This is true to a very large extent.

Bad QBs definitely make their O-lines look worse that they are just as good QBs do the opposite.

One of the elements of this dynamic is that the O-line subconsciously doesn't want to fight as hard for their QB.


And every time I hear people explain Kolb's shaky performances it makes me think of Rob Johnson and how good he was at making his O-line look bad.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

Rob Johnson o-line was terrible that's what made Flutie via able he covered for a terrible o-line. As far as Cardinals players they are upset Kolb got out and they are still there

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostCardinalScotts, on 14 July 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Rob Johnson o-line was terrible that's what made Flutie via able he covered for a terrible o-line. As far as Cardinals players they are upset Kolb got out and they are still there

Johnson still was complicit in making that O-line look bad.

He was jittery and lacked composure, held the ball too long and on top of that he alienated his linemen every time he ran out of bounds for a loss (costing them a sack) instead of throwing the ball away for no gain (costing him an incompletion).

That self-centeredness in RJ valuing his statistics more than their statistics along with his complete lack of pocket instincts were a much larger factor in he becoming the most-sacked QB of all time (a statistical fact) than how good the Bills O-line was or wasn't.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostSan Jose Bills Fan, on 14 July 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:



Johnson still was complicit in making that O-line look bad.

He was jittery and lacked composure, held the ball too long and on top of that he alienated his linemen every time he ran out of bounds for a loss (costing them a sack) instead of throwing the ball away for no gain (costing him an incompletion).

That self-centeredness in RJ valuing his statistics more than their statistics along with his complete lack of pocket instincts were a much larger factor in he becoming the most-sacked QB of all time (a statistical fact) than how good the Bills O-line was or wasn't.

Do we really think that he lost yards via sack to save completion percentage stats? And was unaware his biggest red flag was his sacks taken, not an extra 4 incompletions?

Edited by NoSaint, 14 July 2013 - 04:15 PM.