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#1 john wawrow

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:53 PM

I'm not going to let this lie, having a global moderator, Chandler81, inferring that I'm a shill.
sorry, didn't have a question. guess it's more of a statement.

jw

Edited by john wawrow, 18 July 2013 - 01:56 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

Don't argue with the moderators John. Would hate to see you banned.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

i'm not arguing and i didn't start it.

jw

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:10 PM

will C81 change your name to "timmy wawrow" or "john graham" on here is really the only question i have for this thread.

seriously though, i understand its your profession and not just casual talk like it is for the rest of us. hopefully others can try to keep that in mind. i think its a fair request from your side.... even if i made a tim graham joke about the call out nature of the thread. i make jokes in uncomfortable moments. sue me.

Edited by NoSaint, 18 July 2013 - 02:12 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:14 PM

i took offense to PTR calling me a shill in the first place. and PTR has since apologized. which is OK with me. accepted.
in the heat of discussions, some people do wind up saying some things half-cocked. i've been guilty of that at times.

but to have a Global Moderator come out and infer the same accusation crosses the line for me. they should be held to a higher standard in my opinion.

jw

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:18 PM

View Postjohn wawrow, on 18 July 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

but to have a Global Moderator come out and infer the same accusation crosses the line for me. they should be held to a higher standard in my opinion.

jw

yeah, good luck with that.  I was suspended for a week last year for "abusive behavior" (read: disagreeing with a mod).

But, what is the point of this thread?

And why do you care what someone on a message board thinks of you?

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:18 PM

Do you have a link to the discussion in which this occurred? I'd like to gather more information before drawing hard and fast conclusions.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostEdwards, on 18 July 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Do you have a link to the discussion in which this occurred? I'd like to gather more information before drawing hard and fast conclusions.

indeed....

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:22 PM

View Postjohn wawrow, on 18 July 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

I'm not going to let this lie, having a global moderator, Chandler81, inferring that I'm a shill.
sorry, didn't have a question. guess it's more of a statement.

jw

John, Toughen up. Sometimes the muck gets unfairly thrown. The discourse on this board is in general reasonable; sometimes it is not. This is not a location where one's honor has to be upheld. If someone is out of bounds you can either ignore it or punch back.

Anyone who is a regular poster who has a contrarian view (doesn't uphold the company line) of this bumbling organization will be responded to as if they are a traitor. At times I have had my nuts kicked in for expressing my view. That is the nature of environment.

Whether I agree or not with your viewpoint I always consider it. It is usually fair minded and it comes with healthy skeptical eye that a company public relations office doesn't appreciate. Let me offer you some unsolicited advice: ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDRUM

P.S. Being sanctioned by a moderator for an inexplicable offense is a common occurrence. I, as many others. have been subjected to such discipline.

Edited by JohnC, 18 July 2013 - 02:28 PM.


#10 BillsVet

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

There are some team shills on this board who make Chris Brown look tame.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:26 PM

here's the links:

http://forums.twobil...20#entry2847388

http://forums.twobil...40#entry2847498

just redid this post. PTR's post is first, followed a page later by Chandler#81.

as for this thread, i'm one of the few non-anonymous posters on this board as far as i know, thus my reputation is being put in question here. it's one thing to have PTR call me that, or any other board member. i've been called worse.
but to have a moderator chime in and essentially agree with that remark bumps it up to another level.

in my belief, this is not moderation but jumping on the pile and thus opening the door for others to suggest the same. heck, if a moderator can say it, then anyone can. ... that does not fly with me especially when it comes to this insinuation.

jw

(Edited to add PTR's original post)

Edited by john wawrow, 18 July 2013 - 02:34 PM.


#12 Nanker

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:28 PM

Oh sweet jeepers, here we go again.
In the words of that great humanitarian, Rodney King - can't we all just get along?

I can't stand this off season. It's going on interminably without substantive information about anything of consequence. It's led to the guppies eating their young... and now worse.

#13 RealityCheck

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

This is a tough board for tough people.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostBillsVet, on 18 July 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

There are some team shills on this board who make Chris Brown look tame.

And I love the fact it irks you so...

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:31 PM

View PostJohnC, on 18 July 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

John, Toughen up. Sometimes the muck gets unfairly thrown. The discourse on this board is in general reasonable; sometimes it is not. This is not a location where one's honor has to be upheld. If someone is out of bounds you can either ignore it or punch back.

Anyone who is a regular poster who has a contrarian view (doesn't uphold the company line) of this bumbling organization will be responded to as if they are a traitor. At times I have had my nuts kicked in for expressing my view. That is the nature of environment.

Whether I agree or not with your viewpoint I always consider it. It is usually fair minded and it comes with healthy skeptical eye that a company public relations office doesn't appreciate. Let me offer you some unsolicited advice: ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDRUM

P.S. Being sanctioned by a moderator for an inexplicable offense is a common occurrence. I, as many others. have been subjected to such discipline.

again, it's one thing for you or another poster to make this accusation. it's another, in my mind, to have it sanctioned and backed up by a moderator.

jw

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:34 PM

View PostBillsVet, on 18 July 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

There are some team shills on this board who make Chris Brown look tame.

And there are others who are beyond repulsive in their continual backbiting and gainsaying of any and every move the FO and coaching staff does. I for one, can live with never hearing another death wish for Ralph.

#17 jeremy2020

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:37 PM

I have found myself to disagree with John Wawrow a lot on here, but I give him tremendous respect for realizing that the way sports reporting works has changed and for being on here and engaging with people. There is a lot of Buffalo media that I won't read or listen to, but I will read John's articles because he is here.

It's likely better to message the mod, but I can understand his disdain for a having a moderator make the comment.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:40 PM

I think if you're a beat writer and you're going to post on a fan message board using your true identity, you better have pretty thick skin.

Hope this doesn't drive you away, jw, because I do enjoy reading your perspective when it's not in "article" form -- regardless of whether or not I agree.  It's kind of cool you will debate back and forth.

Cheers.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

View Postjohn wawrow, on 18 July 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:



again, it's one thing for you or another poster to make this accusation. it's another, in my mind, to have it sanctioned and backed up by a moderator.

jw
last season I received a warning point because I "claimed Lee Evans was a liar" when I never actually said anything of the sort. IMO it was a shot across my nose for believing he was never really a good WR.

Take it for what it is I guess. I know it's a different situation but at the time I was extremely passed that I received a warning point for something I never even said.

View Posteball, on 18 July 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

I think if you're a beat writer and you're going to post on a fan message board using your true identity, you better have pretty thick skin.

Hope this doesn't drive you away, jw, because I do enjoy reading your perspective when it's not in "article" form -- regardless of whether or not I agree.  It's kind of cool you will debate back and forth.

Cheers.
ill agree with this. Well said, and thank you in advance JW.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

View Postjohn wawrow, on 18 July 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

again, it's one thing for you or another poster to make this accusation. it's another, in my mind, to have it sanctioned and backed up by a moderator.

jw

You are giving way to much authorityand credibility to a moderator on this board. Your reputation is not being sullied by a moderator from this board. If your editor calls you for a stern talking to then that is a different issue. I'm sure you are a participant on twitter. How many times has your sanity been questiioned in that venue?

I want it understood that I appreciate the efforts of the moderators. They volunteer their time to keep things conducted at a reasonable level. In general they do a good job, even when they sanction me.