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Is "Division 4" college football coming?


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#1 PromoTheRobot

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

Some of the top college football conferences are planning to create their own super-level above mere NCAA schools.  Part-time students?  Pay for play?  You betcha!

http://www.cbssports...llege-athletics

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:00 PM

Go big or go home.. might as well just own it

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:01 PM

Perhaps the Bills can compete in this league.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:02 PM

View PostFluffHead, on 22 July 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Perhaps the Bills can compete in this league.

We couldn't recuit against SEC schools.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:23 PM

This is appalling

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

This is appealing

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:01 PM

As someone who actually believes in education (and works at a Division II school), this disgusts me. Why bother with classes at all? Just make another semi-pro league. It's not like all that money that these schools bring in from athletics gets spent in the classroom anyway.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:06 PM

This is appeasing

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

View PostMaineMoxie, on 22 July 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

As someone who actually believes in education (and works at a Division II school), this disgusts me. Why bother with classes at all? Just make another semi-pro league. It's not like all that money that these schools bring in from athletics gets spent in the classroom anyway.

I believe in education, too. I don't get what is so disgusting about this. It seems the big schools are acknowledging that sports have overshadowed academics and are addressing it as such.

How does this affect anyone's education besides the athletes? Who by many accounts are already getting by on the work of tutors and/or filling out schedules with Basket Weaving 101.

Going to college to play football and to get an education are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but the onus is on the student to get what they want out of it.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:17 PM

View PostMaineMoxie, on 22 July 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

As someone who actually believes in education (and works at a Division II school), this disgusts me. Why bother with classes at all? Just make another semi-pro league. It's not like all that money that these schools bring in from athletics gets spent in the classroom anyway.

I think that is likely the goal. I think we'll see some sort of 'degree' program in "Football Science" or something where they will take minimal classes and eventually eliminate that as people get used to the idea.

I mean, how annoying it when you have a great athlete and he has to spend all that time learning to read!

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:18 PM

View Postuncle flap, on 22 July 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:



I believe in education, too. I don't get what is so disgusting about this. It seems the big schools are acknowledging that sports have overshadowed academics and are addressing it as such.

How does this affect anyone's education besides the athletes? Who by many accounts are already getting by on the work of tutors and/or filling out schedules with Basket Weaving 101.

Going to college to play football and to get an education are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but the onus is on the student to get what they want out of it.

Then go play semi pro and feel free to enroll in a school part time.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:25 PM

All I'm saying is you could probably field a Pro Bowl caliber roster full of guys who are hardly literate who went to these schools.

The academic aspect already is and has been a farce for quite some time. This new proposition is just simply pulling back the curtain a little bit. Transparency is a good thing, right?

View PostNoSaint, on 22 July 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Then go play semi pro and feel free to enroll in a school part time.

Why would someone choose to do that when he could get a scholarship to a high profile university and play on a huge stage, maximizing his exposure and opportunity to strike it rich in the NFL?

I'm just failing to see what the major difference(s) is(/are) compared to the system currently in place.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:29 PM

If the NCAA says these schools can't participate in other NCAA sport events, say....men's basketball (the largest money driver of all sports, by far, for these conferences), it could be a huge blow.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:15 PM

So does this type of action involve only football?

You can differentiate the talent that goes into football for both the Division 1-A & 1-AA, but in basketball, that's a different story.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:11 AM

View PostMark Vader, on 22 July 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

So does this type of action involve only football?

You can differentiate the talent that goes into football for both the Division 1-A & 1-AA, but in basketball, that's a different story.

Well if this cash grab is successful...and let's face it, this is all it is...then expect the big basketball conferences to do the same thing.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 01:22 AM

I hear this all the time.  The big school football programs make big money and the poor football players doesn't get any of it.  But, a full ride 4 or 5 year scholarship with books and tutors and room and board probably goes for the neighborhood of $50,000 per year.  How many high school kids fresh out of HS can make that much?  Then they can, if they're not lazy, get a college degree and make connections with alums for jobs post graduation.  They get to workout in fancy gyms with personal trainers that most people could not afford the membership fee for.  Doesn't sound to me like they got it so bad.

Maybe loosen up the rules a little and give them a $25 per week allowance and let them work summer jobs.

Why would colleges even have football teams if there weren't students playing on them?  It would just be another pro league.  Then, they'd be in competition with the NFL for the best talent.

#17 Mark Vader

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:20 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 23 July 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Well if this cash grab is successful...and let's face it, this is all it is...then expect the big basketball conferences to do the same thing.

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And if they were to do that with basketball would they exclude smaller colleges who happen to have good teams, or colleges that have had their moments?

Georgetown, Villanova, Gonzaga, Creighton, Butler, Virginia Commonwealth, Murray State, Old Dominion, Princeton, Iona?

Would  they really turn away from these schools?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostFluffHead, on 22 July 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Perhaps the Bills can compete in this league.
Exactly.   Been waiting for this "minor league".   Perfect for the AAA Bills.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:44 AM

This would ruin ncaa football for me which just become my favorite 'sport'.  Even got ub seasons this year

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:05 AM

View Postuncle flap, on 22 July 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

I believe in education, too. I don't get what is so disgusting about this.

the problem is, these universities are subsidized at the state AND federal level.

of course the football programs generate revenue for the schools, but that money goes into a pot and is doled out accordingly (on a school level.)

you're now asking tax payers to foot the bill to put college athletes on a salary--perhaps a condition of this program should be that every piece and parcel of each of these programs must be made in america by american based companies. but that won't happen.

i love watching football as much as the next man, but i would much rather put every aspiring mathematician on a 50g a year salary, so that way more kids would make a decision in high school to stick with math, so they could get that college pay day. you can scoff, or roll your eyes at it, but heres the thing, its MY money thats going to pay these athletes salaries, so it should be MY vote that decides who gets the money.

the problem isnt paying college athletes, the problem is that once again, a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR decision is being made about how YOUR tax dollars get spent, and the decision is being made by a huge business (the head of athletic conferences) that is already rich beyond anyones measure. just like investment banking, and variable rate mortgages: these men have made all the money they can in their field, and now theyre coming for whats in your wallet. americans are just too stupid and passive to understand/care.