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#1 ChanOverChin

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:04 AM

Veteran NFL writer, Pat Kirwan, visited the Bills' training recently and came away with these observations:

1. EJ Manuel will start from Day 1.  - I think that is a very good thing.  He will develop faster the sooner that he can experience the real bullets flying around.
2. OG A. Caldwell will win the starting LG spot.  - Brown/legursky/Caldwell will battle it out for sure.
3. Byrd will sign with the Bills one week before the season starts.  - I hope it's sooner than that.
4. While the Bills's defense blitzed the least amount last year, expect to see plenty of blitzes from them this year, especially from the LB and S positions. - Finally, the Bills have caught up with the rest of the NFL.
5. Mario is fine. - That remains to be seen, but it looks like the media was making a mountain out of a mole hill.
6. Four rookies will start: Manuel, Alonso, Woods, Hopkins.  - I guess that means that he thinks they'll all make the final roster as well.  If Hopkins unseats Lindell it will be a big deal.
7. He expects to see solid contributions from Goodwin at WR and from D. Williams and J. Meeks on ST. - I would expect the same, although there are still many doubters regarding Goodwin's route running ability.
8. The Bills' offense will run the "No-Huddle".  They already look good running it in practice. - That's good news.
9. There could be as many as NINE new starters in 2013.  He expects the Bills to get better as the season moves on rather than fade as they have in the recent past. - We can only hope that the rookies get better with more experience.
10. He expects Alonso to be in on 90% of the defensive plays. - I think it's pretty clear that the Bills expect Alonso to be a three down LB.
11. He likened WR D. Rogers to a young Randy Moss. - Wow!!
12. He expects the Bills' offense to use a lot of two RB sets with Spiller and Jackson plus three WRs (likely SJ, Woods, and Graham).  - Hackett has said on numerous occasions that he plans to play the five best offensive players at the skill positions as much as possible.  I'm sure Chandler will be mixed in a lot as well.
13. F. Jackson is the leader of the team. - And a darn good one at that!!
14. He was pleasantly surprised by LB K. Brown's pass rushing ability.  - That seemed like news to me.
15. He liked what he saw from LB J. Hughes as a pass rusher. - We need him to be.
16. He expects the Bills to finish 7-9 in 2013. - That may be about right with so many rookies playing key roles, especially at QB, but it does give us hope for the future, which is not something that we had last year.

The article: http://www.cbssports...ooks-to-get-nod.

Your comments??

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

Love this quote:

I've interviewed Manuel many times, but none of them more impressive than the camp interview. I felt like I was sitting with Russell Wilson last year, the way the young man talked about preparation, leadership and efficiency.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:10 AM

Thanks for posting.

The prediction re Caldwell at guard is particularly interesting. Legursky strikes me a solid versatile back-up.  I didn't really even see Brown making the team, but maybe he's improved.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

Loved every single line in that. Well done. And it truly is from an outsider and not someone that drink all the OBD KoolAid.

Especially thought the Mario tale was good. Chances are, as a small market team with the highest paid defensive player in history, we as fans and our 2nd rate media teams, we blew this out of proportion.

I don't agree with 7-9 though. Believe well be at least 8-8 this year. Of course it all depends on EJ to get on his game sooner than later though.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:37 AM

Kirwan is a good analyst who does not use fluff, aka Peter King and others.  He gets to the point and knows football

He makes a hell of an analyst on nfln radio. He, Ross tucker. Gil Brandt. Many great talents

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:46 AM

EJ = Russell Wilson- but TALLER :))))

But seriously, as a Buckeye fan, I saw a lot of Wilson in college at Wisc. There are a lot of similarities. Smart, confident leader capable of big plays. Except, Russell's team didn't always win and he certainly wasn't highly regarded going into the draft. Great athlete and off the charts above the shoulders. Supremely focused, hard worker and dedicated to winning. I see these same things in EJ. And this is why Russell rose to be the starter in Seattle even though he was a 3rd round pick, too short, they gave Matt Flynn a huge contract, etc. etc. He did have some really bad games early on for Seattle but the coaches stuck with him and he just got better and better, eventually to the playoffs and it wasn't his fault they lost to ATL. He did everything to win that game. Anyway, EJ wasn't a 3rd round pick but he would have been if he was Wilson's height. We can only hope we have the same formula here. Plus, opponents had to respect the running game with Lynch which opened things up for him to pass. We will hopefully have the same thing going on, based on CJ's performance last year. One "expert" on ESPN predicted CJ to become THE best back in the league this year. I think it was Brian Dawkins.

View PostChanOverChin, on 01 August 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Veteran NFL writer, Pat Kirwan, visited the Bills' training recently and came away with these observations:

1. EJ Manuel will start from Day 1.  - I think that is a very good thing.  He will develop faster the sooner that he can experience the real bullets flying around.
2. OG A. Caldwell will win the starting LG spot.  - Brown/legursky/Caldwell will battle it out for sure.
3. Byrd will sign with the Bills one week before the season starts.  - I hope it's sooner than that.
4. While the Bills's defense blitzed the least amount last year, expect to see plenty of blitzes from them this year, especially from the LB and S positions. - Finally, the Bills have caught up with the rest of the NFL.
5. Mario is fine. - That remains to be seen, but it looks like the media was making a mountain out of a mole hill.
6. Four rookies will start: Manuel, Alonso, Woods, Hopkins.  - I guess that means that he thinks they'll all make the final roster as well.  If Hopkins unseats Lindell it will be a big deal.
7. He expects to see solid contributions from Goodwin at WR and from D. Williams and J. Meeks on ST. - I would expect the same, although there are still many doubters regarding Goodwin's route running ability.
8. The Bills' offense will run the "No-Huddle".  They already look good running it in practice. - That's good news.
9. There could be as many as NINE new starters in 2013.  He expects the Bills to get better as the season moves on rather than fade as they have in the recent past. - We can only hope that the rookies get better with more experience.
10. He expects Alonso to be in on 90% of the defensive plays. - I think it's pretty clear that the Bills expect Alonso to be a three down LB.
11. He likened WR D. Rogers to a young Randy Moss. - Wow!!
12. He expects the Bills' offense to use a lot of two RB sets with Spiller and Jackson plus three WRs (likely SJ, Woods, and Graham).  - Hackett has said on numerous occasions that he plans to play the five best offensive players at the skill positions as much as possible.  I'm sure Chandler will be mixed in a lot as well.
13. F. Jackson is the leader of the team. - And a darn good one at that!!
14. He was pleasantly surprised by LB K. Brown's pass rushing ability.  - That seemed like news to me.
15. He liked what he saw from LB J. Hughes as a pass rusher. - We need him to be.
16. He expects the Bills to finish 7-9 in 2013. - That may be about right with so many rookies playing key roles, especially at QB, but it does give us hope for the future, which is not something that we had last year.

The article: http://www.cbssports...ooks-to-get-nod.

Your comments??
I missed the story on Da'Rick Rogers from the draft, just remember that supposedly he was a steal because of off-field issues but the talent is there? What are his issues?

Edited by YoloInTheBlo, 01 August 2013 - 08:44 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:33 AM

View PostYoloInTheBlo, on 01 August 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

EJ = Russell Wilson- but TALLER :))))

But seriously, as a Buckeye fan, I saw a lot of Wilson in college at Wisc. There are a lot of similarities. Smart, confident leader capable of big plays. Except, Russell's team didn't always win and he certainly wasn't highly regarded going into the draft. Great athlete and off the charts above the shoulders. Supremely focused, hard worker and dedicated to winning. I see these same things in EJ. And this is why Russell rose to be the starter in Seattle even though he was a 3rd round pick, too short, they gave Matt Flynn a huge contract, etc. etc. He did have some really bad games early on for Seattle but the coaches stuck with him and he just got better and better, eventually to the playoffs and it wasn't his fault they lost to ATL. He did everything to win that game. Anyway, EJ wasn't a 3rd round pick but he would have been if he was Wilson's height. We can only hope we have the same formula here. Plus, opponents had to respect the running game with Lynch which opened things up for him to pass. We will hopefully have the same thing going on, based on CJ's performance last year. One "expert" on ESPN predicted CJ to become THE best back in the league this year. I think it was Brian Dawkins.

I missed the story on Da'Rick Rogers from the draft, just remember that supposedly he was a steal because of off-field issues but the talent is there? What are his issues?

Multiple failed drug tests at Tennessee that got him kicked off the team.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:36 AM

View Postthebandit27, on 01 August 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Multiple failed drug tests at Tennessee that got him kicked off the team.
Even with the failed drug tests and character issues, I was pretty surprised that a guy with a late first round/early second round grade would go undrafted.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:43 AM

View Postdascottbills28, on 01 August 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Even with the failed drug tests and character issues, I was pretty surprised that a guy with a late first round/early second round grade would go undrafted.

As was I.  It seemed as though a guy like Tyran Matheau has just as many, if not more, off the field red flags and he was picked up in the the 3rd round.  Matheau is very talented at his DB position, but Rogers may be just as talented on the other side of the ball.  It's a bit puzzling, but I'm sure glad it worked out the way it did.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

View PostLt. Dan, on 01 August 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

As was I.  It seemed as though a guy like Tyran Matheau has just as many, if not more, off the field red flags and he was picked up in the the 3rd round.  Matheau is very talented at his DB position, but Rogers may be just as talented on the other side of the ball.  It's a bit puzzling, but I'm sure glad it worked out the way it did.
Yea it really wouldnt surprise if by the end of the year he is our #2 wr and within a few years perhaps even our #1. I know we have Stevie but I feel like  Da'Rick is physically more talented.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

Darn. I was hoping to see a review of the Bills by Johnny and Pony Boy.

Stay golden, Pat Kirwan.

GO BILLS!!!

Edited by K-9, 01 August 2013 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:59 AM

View PostLt. Dan, on 01 August 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

As was I.  It seemed as though a guy like Tyran Matheau has just as many, if not more, off the field red flags and he was picked up in the the 3rd round.  Matheau is very talented at his DB position, but Rogers may be just as talented on the other side of the ball.  It's a bit puzzling, but I'm sure glad it worked out the way it did.

With regards to picking him up as a UDFA, yes. We still have to see if he makes the final roster (I bet he will) and then what happens as the season goes on. Character issues typically don't show up until well into the season - after you're done trying to get a job.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM

View PostChanOverChin, on 01 August 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Veteran NFL writer, Pat Kirwan, visited the Bills' training recently and came away with these observations:

1. EJ Manuel will start from Day 1.  - I think that is a very good thing.  He will develop faster the sooner that he can experience the real bullets flying around.
2. OG A. Caldwell will win the starting LG spot.  - Brown/legursky/Caldwell will battle it out for sure.
3. Byrd will sign with the Bills one week before the season starts.  - I hope it's sooner than that.
4. While the Bills's defense blitzed the least amount last year, expect to see plenty of blitzes from them this year, especially from the LB and S positions. - Finally, the Bills have caught up with the rest of the NFL.
5. Mario is fine. - That remains to be seen, but it looks like the media was making a mountain out of a mole hill.
6. Four rookies will start: Manuel, Alonso, Woods, Hopkins.  - I guess that means that he thinks they'll all make the final roster as well.  If Hopkins unseats Lindell it will be a big deal.
7. He expects to see solid contributions from Goodwin at WR and from D. Williams and J. Meeks on ST. - I would expect the same, although there are still many doubters regarding Goodwin's route running ability.
8. The Bills' offense will run the "No-Huddle".  They already look good running it in practice. - That's good news.
9. There could be as many as NINE new starters in 2013.  He expects the Bills to get better as the season moves on rather than fade as they have in the recent past. - We can only hope that the rookies get better with more experience.
10. He expects Alonso to be in on 90% of the defensive plays. - I think it's pretty clear that the Bills expect Alonso to be a three down LB.
11. He likened WR D. Rogers to a young Randy Moss. - Wow!!
12. He expects the Bills' offense to use a lot of two RB sets with Spiller and Jackson plus three WRs (likely SJ, Woods, and Graham).  - Hackett has said on numerous occasions that he plans to play the five best offensive players at the skill positions as much as possible.  I'm sure Chandler will be mixed in a lot as well.
13. F. Jackson is the leader of the team. - And a darn good one at that!!
14. He was pleasantly surprised by LB K. Brown's pass rushing ability.  - That seemed like news to me.
15. He liked what he saw from LB J. Hughes as a pass rusher. - We need him to be.
16. He expects the Bills to finish 7-9 in 2013. - That may be about right with so many rookies playing key roles, especially at QB, but it does give us hope for the future, which is not something that we had last year.

The article: http://www.cbssports...ooks-to-get-nod.

Your comments??
Wow, we are fully in "hope renewed" mode now.   Yikes.   Wasn't this the sentiment last year at this time?   Best front 4 in the league, solid O line , Spiller is awesome, playoffs for sure this year,  blah blah blah.   a half a dozen significant starter IR injuries later and their sitting with a top 10 draft pick -- again.    Show me the baby.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:04 AM

View Post8and8Forever, on 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Wow, we are fully in "hope renewed" mode now.   Yikes.   Wasn't this the sentiment last year at this time?   Best front 4 in the league, solid O line , Spiller is awesome, playoffs for sure this year,  blah blah blah.   a half a dozen significant starter IR injuries later and their sitting with a top 10 draft pick -- again. Show me the baby.

Curses!  When will the rest of us learn never to be optimistic in any fashion...we must all disregard any positives we see/hear until the team produces a playoff berth.  Thanks for the reminder.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:13 AM

View Post8and8Forever, on 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Wow, we are fully in "hope renewed" mode now.   Yikes.   Wasn't this the sentiment last year at this time?   Best front 4 in the league, solid O line , Spiller is awesome, playoffs for sure this year,  blah blah blah.   a half a dozen significant starter IR injuries later and their sitting with a top 10 draft pick -- again. Show me the baby.

We didn't factor in the complete ineptitude of the coach staff.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

View Post8and8Forever, on 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Wow, we are fully in "hope renewed" mode now.   Yikes.   Wasn't this the sentiment last year at this time?   Best front 4 in the league, solid O line , Spiller is awesome, playoffs for sure this year,  blah blah blah.   a half a dozen significant starter IR injuries later and their sitting with a top 10 draft pick -- again. Show me the baby.

Yes, because the Bills are the only team in the league that can't withstand "significant starter IR injuries."

But seriously, what is wrong with unbridled optimism? Why the need to decry it in others?

GO BILLS!!!

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:23 AM

View PostLt. Dan, on 01 August 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

As was I.  It seemed as though a guy like Tyran Matheau has just as many, if not more, off the field red flags and he was picked up in the the 3rd round.  Matheau is very talented at his DB position, but Rogers may be just as talented on the other side of the ball.  It's a bit puzzling, but I'm sure glad it worked out the way it did.
Difference is ESPN did not give updates and keep Rogers relevant like they did with Matheau. This could also be a product of where and how the programs where doing. LSU in National Championship hunt over the past several years. Tenn has not be relevant for a long time.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:27 AM

View PostK-9, on 01 August 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:



Yes, because the Bills are the only team in the league that can't withstand "significant starter IR injuries."

But seriously, what is wrong with unbridled optimism? Why the need to decry it in others?

GO BILLS!!!
because 8and8forever isn't his screen name because we have been mediocre for ever and there's no hope of getting out of it. It's because he hopes we are 8 and 8 forever because he's a miserable person and he wants to be right at something.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:34 AM

While I enjoy listening to Kirwan I'll temper the enthusiasm somewhat, if only because Pat has a radio show and unlike "controversial" hosts he really enjoys talking to the fans.  I think he tends to be pretty optimistic and looks for the bright side with all teams, because he doesn't want to alienate the fans who call in.

That said, he really does know the game and his encouraging feedback is something to take seriously.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:37 AM

View Postmrags, on 01 August 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

because 8and8forever isn't his screen name because we have been mediocre for ever and there's no hope of getting out of it. It's because he hopes we are 8 and 8 forever because he's a miserable person and he wants to be right at something.

Takes no balls to be negative all the time. It's all upside no matter how things turn out.

GO BILLS!!!