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Can I start another $%&#@ Dave Wannstedt thread?

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#1 eball

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

It was pointed out by our good friend Rastro on Twitter that 8 out of 11 currently-designated starters on the Bills' defense were 1st or 2nd round draft picks.

Gilmore
McKelvin
Mario
Dareus
Lawson
Alonso
Byrd
A. Williams

The other three?  K. Williams (4th), Carrington (3rd), and Bradham (5th)

Only Lawson and Alonso are newcomers this season.

I think we know why Mike Pettine wanted this job -- talent out the yin-yang.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

KW was as 5th rounder.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

I might suggest that you not call this a Wanny thread.  It is about the talent level on the D and draft pick rounds that support it should be better than last years performance.

Now to your point, yes this d should be better than what we saw last year.  Wanny had an awful scheme period.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:46 PM

I say trickle the !@#$ you on up the chain.  

I personally hold Chan more responsible than Wanny.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:48 PM

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:48 PM

If Pettine doesn't do better than Wannstedt, I don't know what to think.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:53 PM

View Posteball, on 21 August 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

It was pointed out by our good friend Rastro on Twitter that 8 out of 11 currently-designated starters on the Bills' defense were 1st or 2nd round draft picks.

Gilmore
McKelvin
Mario
Dareus
Lawson
Alonso
Byrd
A. Williams

The other three?  K. Williams (4th), Carrington (3rd), and Bradham (5th)

Only Lawson and Alonso are newcomers this season.

I think we know why Mike Pettine wanted this job -- talent out the yin-yang.

View PostDoc, on 21 August 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

KW was as 5th rounder.

And Sir Nigel was a 4th-rounder.  So your errors canceled out, I guess.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:54 PM

I love that all of our coaches go on to other teams but in more limited roles: wade, greggg, wanny, mularkey,

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:58 PM

I said long before the season started that if this was a coaching and scheme issue and not a talent issue.....the  the defense was about to rebound in a big way.

This defense SHOULD have been top 10 - 12 LAST YEAR........and Wanny came in and put too much emphasis on the DL to get all the pressure.......

Pettine is a true innovator.........its showing....the players are responding......


We could actually make the playoffs.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

Wanny should have been canned after they got lit up by Sanchez in Week 1. Night and day.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:16 PM

It's still not going to be an overnight success.  Should the results be better? Absolutely, however it'll take time to adjust  to the scheme for both players and the coach.   Our linebackers are still a question mark until proven otherwise.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:20 PM

We have to be able to stop the run.  Dareus needs to step up this year and Bradham needs to stay away from the weed

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:21 PM

Week 1 and Week 2 are going to be outstanding tests.  As much as it makes we want to puke on my keyboard, I have to admit that Brady is this generation's Montana or Unitas and NE has a great coaching staff. Cam Newton will test whether the Bills can play a multi-dimensional QB with talent -- Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, James Stewart, Greg Olsen--around him...

I think the Bills D accounts itself well--the talent is there...it just hasn't been used correctly.  Its aggressive talent and the Bills have been running passive schemes.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:23 PM

He will be coaching Lindell in Tampa Bay.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostJust in Atlanta, on 21 August 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

He will be coaching Lindell in Tampa Bay.

The first thing Rian should do is kick him in the nuts and say, "thanks a heluva lot for last year, Dave."

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:28 PM

Be careful eball I went here like a month ago and was amazed that there are some people that DON'T think that it was Wanny's fault. His vanilla scheme was so outdated. It was like watching the Pro Bowl every week. That was certainly the biggest problem last year with the defense. You have to put people in position to succeed. You need to dictate the pace not react to what is being dictated to you.  

Not just that but you need to DISGUISE!! The amount of game planning that teams do now is far more advanced than ever before. If teams know what you are going to do before you do it they design something to expose the flaws of what you are about to do. He never understood that and thought that if we line up with more talent we should win. That is not always the case.

For example if they know where Mario is coming from they will shift a TE or back to help. They weren't scared to get beat by a blitz in this situation because they RARELY sent anyone other than the front 4.

Edited by Kirby Jackson, 21 August 2013 - 08:24 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:33 PM

It wasn't that Wanny was just bad.   Its that he got the D to play to an historically all time bad level.   That 1200+ yielded in two weeks might have had permanent dmage on the psche of some of these players.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:36 PM

View PostDorkington, on 21 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

If Pettine doesn't do better than Wannstedt, I don't know what to think.

I'm thinking that has to be almost impossible.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

I can't believe he landed another job.  He came in as some sort of d guru and left a joke...

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

I will admit to believing that Wannstedt was going to be a big improvement last year. That openning game against the Jets was incredibly depressing.