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#1 Mike B. in VA

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

That was one of the worst displays of quarterbacking I've ever seen. I knew he would look bad - two weeks is not enough in a new system - but the Vikings would have been much better off with Cassel.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:06 AM

Freeman passed on us. Def glad about that though.. :D

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

View PostMike B. in VA, on 22 October 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

That was one of the worst displays of quarterbacking I've ever seen. I knew he would look bad - two weeks is not enough in a new system - but the Vikings would have been much better off with Cassel.

That was beyond bad. He even made Eli look good last night. At one point in the 3rd quarter, I heard Tirico literally say, "So far this quarter, both teams are just bad."

Edited by LABillzFan, 22 October 2013 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:36 AM

That was unwatchable.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

View PostRubes, on 22 October 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

That was unwatchable.
Dont worry I'm sure he will be better by his next primetime game... in 6 days

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:41 AM

Glad to have Thad instead of Freeman.  Thad knows the system and there's less national attention around him to turn this into a "controversy" when EJ returns.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:43 AM

View PostSageAgainstTheMachine, on 22 October 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Glad to have Thad instead of Freeman.  Thad knows the system and there's less national attention around him to turn this into a "controversy" when EJ returns.

Plus...how can you not root for a guy like Thad?

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:46 AM

That might have been the worst game I have ever seen... And I'm a Bills fan.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:53 AM

View PostBilly in 4C, on 22 October 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

That might have been the worst game I have ever seen... And I'm a Bills fan.

You are obviously not very familiar with the full history of Buffalo Bills' Quarterbacking.  Dufek, Holbert, Marangi, Johnson, Losman Edwards, et al.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:56 AM

View Postbadassgixxer05, on 22 October 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Freeman passed on us. Def glad about that though.. :D

He went where he had the least competition.  Here he'd just have been a placeholder for a few weeks for EJ.  If there were any hard feelings that performance should wipe them away.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:02 PM

View PostRubes, on 22 October 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

That was unwatchable.

It was almost comical how his throws weren't even close to receivers and the announcers were getting tired of it too...

That has nothing to do with learning the system, timing, etc...those were simply terrible and inaccurate throws, many times to players who were wide open...

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:38 PM

This is why our front office is underrated now and why we went with Thad

Freeman might be more talented......but Thad fits our system better and has been here running our offense on the practice squad.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostBilly in 4C, on 22 October 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

That might have been the worst game I have ever seen... And I'm a Bills fan.
That 6-3 cleveland game was farrrrrr worse. Trust me I was there.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 22 October 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

This is why our front office is underrated now and why we went with Thad

Freeman might be more talented......but Thad fits our system better and has been here running our offense on the practice squad.

I for one wanted Freeman to choose BUF in the worst way, but after watching that, it's apparent that he wouldn't help our immediate need much. Even a couple weeks is not nearly enough to learn the nuances of an NFL offense. Contrary to some opinions in this thread, last night had EVERYTHING to do with timing and knowing the system. From the depth of Freeman's drops, to the depth of the WR's cuts etc, and just the fact they only ran a handful of plays, some of them 4 or more times. That won't work in the NFL, and the Giants just stacked the box to take away AP and force Freeman to pass. Thad being in our offense since August, even if just running the scout team in practice, meant he was much more ready for immediate service than a guy off the street. Freeman is more talented, yes, but wouldn't have helped our cause right now. I'd still like to have him long term in case EJM is not the franchise guy, probably what they were after JF for.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

I think most of the pundits this AM got it about right concerning Freeman /Frazier last night...And despite the fact that Freeman did not help himself much, it's pretty obvious the blame is squarely on Frazier for putting him in that position...It was reported this AM that the decision to start Freeman was 100% Frazier's...At the absolute very least...well...Let's say Freeman looked awesome in practice and fooled Frazier...At the very least Frazier should have realized by halftime he made a huge mistake rushing Freeman in, and should have put Ponder in the game while it was still winnable...I really believe Frazier lost a good portion of that locker room last night...I really do...He was basically a lame duck anyway...Last night sealed Frazier's fate...And I'm not surprised at all because I think the guy is a joke of a HC... B-)

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostKOKBILLS, on 22 October 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

I think most of the pundits this AM got it about right concerning Freeman /Frazier last night...And despite the fact that Freeman did not help himself much, it's pretty obvious the blame is squarely on Frazier for putting him in that position...It was reported this AM that the decision to start Freeman was 100% Frazier's...At the absolute very least...well...Let's say Freeman looked awesome in practice and fooled Frazier...At the very least Frazier should have realized by halftime he made a huge mistake rushing Freeman in, and should have put Ponder in the game while it was still winnable...I really believe Frazier lost a good portion of that locker room last night...I really do...He was basically a lame duck anyway...Last night sealed Frazier's fate...And I'm not surprised at all because I think the guy is a joke of a HC... B-)

Could very well be it was a GM decision and Frazier was trying to make a point by leaving Freeman in. My understanding of the situation is that Frazier was against the acquisition of Freeman to begin with.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:22 PM

I didn't see the game. But it doesn't take a genius to know that cassel is the best QB on that roster by a million miles.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostKOKBILLS, on 22 October 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

I think most of the pundits this AM got it about right concerning Freeman /Frazier last night...And despite the fact that Freeman did not help himself much, it's pretty obvious the blame is squarely on Frazier for putting him in that position...It was reported this AM that the decision to start Freeman was 100% Frazier's...At the absolute very least...well...Let's say Freeman looked awesome in practice and fooled Frazier...At the very least Frazier should have realized by halftime he made a huge mistake rushing Freeman in, and should have put Ponder in the game while it was still winnable...I really believe Frazier lost a good portion of that locker room last night...I really do...He was basically a lame duck anyway...Last night sealed Frazier's fate...And I'm not surprised at all because I think the guy is a joke of a HC... B-)

The guy went to the playoffs last year starting Christian Ponder.  That's good coaching.

That's how bad Ponder sucks.  They'd rather start a guy who's been there a week.  It's also why the Bills went with Lewis.  It's so hard to come in and learn an offense 7 weeks into the season.  Still long term, Freeman is a better QB than Ponder.  But last night was one of the worst football games I kinda watched.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostBarleyNY, on 22 October 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:



He went where he had the least competition.  Here he'd just have been a placeholder for a few weeks for EJ.  If there were any hard feelings that performance should wipe them away.

in theory it shouldve been a much better spot for him. less pressure to play NOW and look like he did lastnight, and wide open in the long term.

essentially the opposite of us. he shouldve had time to get up to speed and take the job instead of running out there unprepared to embarrass himself.

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Could very well be it was a GM decision and Frazier was trying to make a point by leaving Freeman in. My understanding of the situation is that Frazier was against the acquisition of Freeman to begin with.

cris carter was implying this very idea on mike and mike this morning.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:26 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 22 October 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

You are obviously not very familiar with the full history of Buffalo Bills' Quarterbacking.  Dufek, Holbert, Marangi, Johnson, Losman Edwards, et al.

That was a Marangi-esque display last night.  Losman was never that bad.

View PostCaptain Hindsight, on 22 October 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

That 6-3 cleveland game was farrrrrr worse. Trust me I was there.

I don't remember anything about that game.  I just remember pain.