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#1 ChanOverChin

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:55 PM

I think most would have had to say that Smith was developing faster than Manuel prior to today, but after what we say from Manuel today against a very good Jets defense I think Manuel showed that he has the ability to be the better of the two long term.  After today, my hope has been renewed for Mr. Manuel.  While we still have an outside chance to make the playoffs (with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league down the stretch) my biggest interest will still be to see how Manuel plays the rest of this season.  If nothing else we really need to find out if Manuel is capable of being our franchise QB.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:00 PM

View PostChanOverChin, on 17 November 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

I think most would have had to say that Smith was developing faster than Manuel prior to today, but after what we say from Manuel today against a very good Jets defense I think Manuel showed that he has the ability to be the better of the two long term.  After today, my hope has been renewed for Mr. Manuel.  While we still have an outside chance to make the playoffs (with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league down the stretch) my biggest interest will still be to see how Manuel plays the rest of this season.  If nothing else we really need to find out if Manuel is capable of being our franchise QB.

Manuel is 6 games into his NFL career.  Geno is 10.  No one is born an NFL QB.  You have to learn the job.  It takes some people longer.

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#3 Dorkington

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:03 PM

Well, most important is wins and losses. Right now, Geno and the Jets are 5-5, while Manuel and the Bills are 4-7. Both are rookies, there's going to be ups and downs. I don't care if Manuel is the best QB in the history of the NFL if we are finishing with a losing record every year. Time to win 5 in a row.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:07 PM

And all the missed time set EJ back significantly.

View PostDorkington, on 17 November 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

Well, most important is wins and losses. Right now, Geno and the Jets are 5-5, while Manuel and the Bills are 4-7. Both are rookies, there's going to be ups and downs. I don't care if Manuel is the best QB in the history of the NFL if we are finishing with a losing record every year. Time to win 5 in a row.
The Bills are 4-7, but Manuel is in reality 3-3 (he left the Browns game with the score tied, so I didn't count it).

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:09 PM

View PostChanOverChin, on 17 November 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

I think most would have had to say that Smith was developing faster than Manuel prior to today, but after what we say from Manuel today against a very good Jets defense I think Manuel showed that he has the ability to be the better of the two long term.  After today, my hope has been renewed for Mr. Manuel.  While we still have an outside chance to make the playoffs (with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league down the stretch) my biggest interest will still be to see how Manuel plays the rest of this season.  If nothing else we really need to find out if Manuel is capable of being our franchise QB.

In what way have you seen Geno "developing"??

He's been extremely awful more often than not, and he looked completely lost today.

My eyes tell me Geno is "developing" into the next JP Losman.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:16 PM

To me, Geno lacks poise and leadership. He seems to float a lot of passes and takes way too many chances with a lot of his throws. He also doesnt strike me as somebody who will put in countless hours studying game film and preparing himself for the opponents defense. He does have a pretty strong arm and doesnt throw a bad deep ball, but other than that, he isnt franchise quarterback material to me. As soon as things start unraveling and things dont go his way, he starts forcing throws and losing his composure.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:20 PM

View Postdascottbills28, on 17 November 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

To me, Geno lacks poise and leadership. He seems to float a lot of passes and takes way too many chances with a lot of his throws. He also doesnt strike me as somebody who will put in countless hours studying game film and preparing himself for the opponents defense. He does have a pretty strong arm and doesnt throw a bad deep ball, but other than that, he isnt franchise quarterback material to me. As soon as things start unraveling and things dont go his way, he starts forcing throws and losing his composure.

Well done, sir!

Spot-on analysis, IMO.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:23 PM

I have to hold off judgement for a year or 2...

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:27 PM

Geno has a whopping 20 turnovers this year. I don't care who you are thats bad.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:27 PM

View PostSpecial K, on 17 November 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Well done, sir!

Spot-on analysis, IMO.
Thank you! As I was reading this over, I realized that he sounds a lot like JP Losman. Looks like the Jets are going to be drafting a qb come April!

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:35 PM

I actually predict that geno will be pretty good. His mistakes are classic rookie mistakes-- poor reads, locking into receivers, some other correctible mistakes.  It seems like those will be fixed with more experience and maybe some better receivers.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostCaptain Hindsight, on 17 November 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Geno has a whopping 20 turnovers this year. I don't care who you are thats bad.

yeah, that's Sanchez bad.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:39 PM

According to Chris Wessling from around the league on nfl.com the jests have the advantage in rookie qbs? Yeah, time to reevaluate? Sorry no link, couldn't figure out how

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:43 PM

View PostJR in Pittsburgh, on 17 November 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

I actually predict that geno will be pretty good. His mistakes are classic rookie mistakes-- poor reads, locking into receivers, some other correctible mistakes.  It seems like those will be fixed with more experience and maybe some better receivers.
Based on what makes you think that he will be any good? If you think that, you must think Manuel will be a hall of famer then.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:54 PM

Geno has had some pretty darn good games.  The first game vs the Bills and the game vs the Saints to name two.  He was impressive in both games.  If you were to poll experts prior to today most would say that Geno looks like the better player.  EJ was absolutely terrible last week, but thankfully he looked like a solid player this week.  We can only hope that he keeps getting better.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:59 PM

not a huge fan of either guys talent...but both are very athletic and both MAY become decent nfl Qbs..to me they are 6 or 1/2 a dozen

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostDoc, on 17 November 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

And all the missed time set EJ back significantly.


The Bills are 4-7, but Manuel is in reality 3-3 (he left the Browns game with the score tied, so I didn't count it).

The key word(s) are "and the Bills". Fair enough to say EJ is 3-3/3-4.

Point being is, these guys are both works in progress. I'd rather have Geno's record, though, at the moment. Even if I personally prefer EJ.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:18 PM

View Postdascottbills28, on 17 November 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Based on what makes you think that he will be any good? If you think that, you must think Manuel will be a hall of famer then.

Geno hangs in the pocket, throws a nice ball, has a strong arm, is really accurate, and confidently throws down field. He's had good games, bad games, and horrible games in his short NFL career--but those are the qualities that suggest that he can make a good QB.

That he makes bad decisions, throws picks, doesn't see defenders in coverage, makes mental errors, again, is stuff that presumably can be corrected with more playing time and experience.  Obviously, some guys figure out the mental side of the game, and others don't. But from what I have seen, I wouldn't write Geno off yet.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:39 PM

Geno has a cannon arm which is the TBD judge of QB ability. People will forgive almost anything in a qb if he throws a couple pretty deep passes in a game.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostChanOverChin, on 17 November 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Geno has had some pretty darn good games.  The first game vs the Bills and the game vs the Saints to name two.  He was impressive in both games.  If you were to poll experts prior to today most would say that Geno looks like the better player.  EJ was absolutely terrible last week, but thankfully he looked like a solid player this week.  We can only hope that he keeps getting better.
I don't credit Geno for the first game vs the Bills, as much as I blame Justin Rogers.