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Gilmore has been picked on by oppossing teams his entire career


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#1 BuffaloBillsForever

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 08:48 PM

From the Jets game last year to the Falcons game today.

It's been consistent for the first two years of his career, opposing teams purposely attack him in their gameplan.

Gilmore is just not that good. Lets be honest here.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:16 PM

The Buffalo Bills defense is...not good.

Two wins for ATL and they put 34 points on the Bills defense.

I couldn't believe at the 1/2 the Falcons came back and put 17 on the Bills defense.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:44 PM

This year, he's struggled. You can put a lot of that on the injury. Late last year, Gilmore was really playing good ball. Noticeably on the field, and also statistically. Giving up on Gilmore is foolish.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostBuffaloBillsForever, on 01 December 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

From the Jets game last year to the Falcons game today.

It's been consistent for the first two years of his career, opposing teams purposely attack him in their gameplan.

Gilmore is just not that good. Lets be honest here.

So that long stretch of games last year where he didn't allow over 50 yards or a TD and the couple games where he allowed 0 catches for 0 yards this year they were picking on him. Oh.... Ok...

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostLeelee Phoenix, on 01 December 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

This year, he's struggled. You can put a lot of that on the injury. Late last year, Gilmore was really playing good ball. Noticeably on the field, and also statistically. Giving up on Gilmore is foolish.

Yep, foolish. Not unlike giving up on your first round QB after one season.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostLeelee Phoenix, on 01 December 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

This year, he's struggled. You can put a lot of that on the injury. Late last year, Gilmore was really playing good ball. Noticeably on the field, and also statistically. Giving up on Gilmore is foolish.

What about giving up on EJ? Is that smart? :lol:

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:50 PM

View PostLeelee Phoenix, on 01 December 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

This year, he's struggled. You can put a lot of that on the injury. Late last year, Gilmore was really playing good ball. Noticeably on the field, and also statistically. Giving up on Gilmore is foolish.
The injury wasn't to his legs, it was to his wrist.  Gilmore has struggled since he came in the league.  He gets picked on every week because he is terrible.  He is not athletic enuf to play corner.  He gets called for holding or pass interference every single game.  There is no way he should be starting for us.  This is one of the many reasons we are a bad football team year after year.  We draft guys like Stefan Gilmore w the 11th pick, and he looks absolutely lost playing the NFL game.  McKelvin isn't great, but he is a much better athlete than Gilmore, and competes 10 times harder on every play.  Gilmore looks worse now than the first time he suited up for us last year.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostLeelee Phoenix, on 01 December 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

This year, he's struggled. You can put a lot of that on the injury. Late last year, Gilmore was really playing good ball. Noticeably on the field, and also statistically. Giving up on Gilmore is foolish.

What does a wrist injury hv to do with his ability to cover or even stay close to the guy he is covering?

Gilmore just isn't very good and for whatever reason is constantly turning his back to the receiver which is the last thing a CB should do

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostMax997, on 01 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

What does a wrist injury hv to do with his ability to cover or even stay close to the guy he is covering?

Gilmore just isn't very good and for whatever reason is constantly turning his back to the receiver which is the last thing a CB should do

Quite a bit when you cannot use one of your hands to jam at the LOS, subtly re-route receivers, tackle, and keep good balance (when the club was present) while in coverage.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostBoatdrinks, on 01 December 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

Yep, foolish. Not unlike giving up on your first round QB after one season.

Heh Heh......good call

View PostMax997, on 01 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

What does a wrist injury hv to do with his ability to cover or even stay close to the guy he is covering?

Gilmore just isn't very good and for whatever reason is constantly turning his back to the receiver which is the last thing a CB should do

Just making that remark shows you dont know anything about the game of a agressive physical man coverage corner.....

Hand technique is everything to that style of corner

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:05 PM

He plays press coverage technique.  Uses his hands to control WR and be physical down field. He has regressed this season and expect him to bounce back.  Don't look to the draft for a Revis type.  This upcoming CB draft class is deep but no top of the draft talent.  I think the whole secondary is in need of better coaching.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:08 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 01 December 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:



Quite a bit when you cannot use one of your hands to jam at the LOS, subtly re-route receivers, tackle, and keep good balance (when the club was present) while in coverage.

And what does any of that have to do with actually covering and staying with a receiver?

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:10 PM

View PostMax997, on 01 December 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

And what does any of that have to do with actually covering and staying with a receiver?

Can't help you if you do not understand how critical what I posted is to a man press CB from the beginning of the WR route.  You're on your own.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 01 December 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

Just making that remark shows you dont know anything about the game of a agressive physical man coverage corner.....

Hand technique is everything to that style of corner

Ah yes the I do to know anything response

What does hand technique have to do with covering and staying with a receiver 10 yards down the field?

Gilmore isn't even close to the guy he is covering most of the time

Hand technique is not everything to that style or any other style corner...a corner can either cover or he cant

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostMax997, on 01 December 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

And what does any of that have to do with actually covering and staying with a receiver?

Dude....seriously?  That has been explained to you

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:13 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 01 December 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:



Can't help you if you do not understand how critical what I posted is to a man press CB from the beginning of the WR route.  You're on your own.

Man press corner? Gilmore lines up 10 yards off the receiver most of the time

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostMax997, on 01 December 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Ah yes the I do to know anything response

What does hand technique have to do with covering and staying with a receiver 10 yards down the field?

Gilmore isn't even close to the guy he is covering most of the time

Hand technique is not everything to that style or any other style corner...a corner can either cover or he cant

Cant help you if you cant comprehend it when its explained.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:17 PM

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 01 December 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:



Dude....seriously?  That has been explained to you

Actually no it hasn't as hand technique and jamming at the line has nothing to do with a corners ability to stay with a receiver downfield especially when that corner is lining up 5-10 yards off the receiver to begin with

View PostJohn from Hemet, on 01 December 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:



Cant help you if you cant comprehend it when its explained.

You hv yet to explain what his injury had to do with being able to stay with a receiver downfield especially when he lines up off the receiver to begin with?

Ur argument doesn't make any sense but you are obviously not getting that

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:22 PM

May I have your attention? Stephon Gilmore does not dictate whether the Bills' defense plays press man, off man, or zone coverage on any particular play. This is a TSW Public Service Announcement. Thank You.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:40 PM

The D is soft, always has been.  Gilmore played poorly I thought, but the two long td runs are on Kiko.  He missed badly and over pursed