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Poll: Another hash to settle (222 member(s) have cast votes)

Should the Bills sever ties with Stevie? (cut/trade)

  1. Yes (96 votes [43.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.24%

  2. No (126 votes [56.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.76%

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#1 The Big Cat

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:10 AM

I know there are a million threads, but I haven't seen a poll. Let's see how this one pans out.

#2 MarkAF43

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:14 AM

I say yes, He's proven this year he's not a big time receiver.  He makes very average plays and has proven he has no accountability to his team or the fans for his mistakes.  Oh and yeah, he can't stay healthy.

#3 KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:17 AM

No. He can be an overachieving #2 for us. That said, if his body language continues to be as bad as it has recently I might have to change my vote.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:18 AM

View PostKikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, on 13 December 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

No. He can be an overachieving #2 for us. That said, if his body language continues to be as bad as it has recently I might have to change my vote.

Body language? Just listen to him in interviews.  no accountability for his mistakes.  He seems like a nice guy, but it's time for him to go.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:25 AM

View PostMarkAF43, on 13 December 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:



Body language? Just listen to him in interviews.  no accountability for his mistakes.  He seems like a nice guy, but it's time for him to go.

I don't put as much stock into his interviews as others. It's watching him pout and look disinterested at points in games that is disturbing to me. Sets a bad example for our young WR core.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:27 AM

Not arguing, just trying to understand.  You're ok with him in a presser saying it's not his fault he fumbled, or that an INT didn't matter because it's early in the game, but you're concerned about his body language.  Can you explain that?  I don't see how one presents a bad example to young receivers and the other doesn't.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:30 AM

View PostMarkAF43, on 13 December 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Not arguing, just trying to understand.  You're ok with him in a presser saying it's not his fault he fumbled, or that an INT didn't matter because it's early in the game, but you're concerned about his body language.  Can you explain that?  I don't see how one presents a bad example to young receivers and the other doesn't.

What speaks louder? Action or words?

Also, I took his comment as him giving credit to the defender for making a good play rather than not owning up. I didn't see the INT comment.  Can you provide an exact quote or a link?

Edited by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, 13 December 2013 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:33 AM

that still doesn't answer my question.  Actions typically speak louder than words.  Not in every case.  But you're telling me it's ok for maybe one of the "kid" WR's don't see his body language, but are standing near him and hear him avoid accountability for the plays.  That's ok with you?  Because now that persons only view of what happened are his words, not his actions.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostMarkAF43, on 13 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

that still doesn't answer my question.  Actions typically speak louder than words.  Not in every case.  But you're telling me it's ok for maybe one of the "kid" WR's don't see his body language, but are standing near him and hear him avoid accountability for the plays.  That's ok with you?  Because now that persons only view of what happened are his words, not his actions.

His comments will be interpreted in whatever way it helps a specific person's agenda. If a team says they beat themselves (accountability), they're basically saying that the other team played no part in the win. Right?

Also, you don't need to put quotations on a word ("kid") to accentuate what i'm guessing is your point which is "that they're not kids" if I didn't use that word. That whole sentence was a nightmare by the way.

Edited by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, 13 December 2013 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

You know the bar has been set so low in the City of Buffalo for the last 15 years that just getting a thousand yards receiving which is about 65 yards per game or about 16 yards a quarter seems like a huge accomplishment.    

I for one have grown tired of Stevies dog and pony show.   trade him for whatever you can get for him.

Edited by oman128, 13 December 2013 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

View PostKikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, on 13 December 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

His comments will be interpreted in whatever way it helps a specific person's agenda. If a team says they beat themselves (accountability), they're basically saying that the other team played no part in the win. Right?

I disagree with both parts of your post. But I don't see any outcome in a forthcoming debate wherein you'd agree with me, so...

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:43 AM

there isn't an agenda when he says it wasn't his fault he fumbled, the other guy made a great play.  That's denying accountability.  Your job, hold onto the ball.  His job? Strip the ball.  Quite obviously the other guy was better at his job than SJ was at his.  So just own up to that.  " i messed up, it's my job to hold onto the football, i didn't.  That's on me".  And this isn't new for SJ, remember blaming God for losing the Steelers game?  this guy won't own up to his mistakes, it's always someone else who did something better, or has it out for him.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostThe Big Cat, on 13 December 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:



I disagree with both parts of your post. But I don't see any outcome in a forthcoming debate wherein you'd agree with me, so...

Thanks for the input. You could be wrong about me but I guess we'll never know.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostKikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, on 13 December 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Thanks for the input. You could be wrong about me but I guess we'll never know.

Well, you don't need to be double teamed by MarkAF43 and me. He's doing a fine job.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostThe Big Cat, on 13 December 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:



Well, you don't need to be double teamed by MarkAF43 and me. He's doing a fine job.

Disagreeing with my opinion, which you are, and not understanding my opinion, which he is, is not exactly the same thing. He wanted my reasoning. I gave it.  He didn't like it... That's his problem.

Btw. He is doing a fine job. If his job is stating the same thing over and over.

Edited by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, 13 December 2013 - 10:55 AM.


#16 MarkAF43

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:55 AM

No one said I didn't like it.  That's a nice assumption but completely incorrect. Where have I said anything that I don't like your opinion? You seem to be getting pretty defensive when all I did was ask for you to explain your comment.  Yes, in most cases actions speak louder than words.  But that's not always the case, and I don't see how being ok with what he says but not with his body language makes sense, but that's just me.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:01 AM

So far it's 2 to 1 on Stevie staying.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:02 AM

After the Atlanta game, I was persuaded to the "yes" side.

What I assumed was an aberration, I am now seeing as a major penchant for choking.

#19 KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostMarkAF43, on 13 December 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

No one said I didn't like it.  That's a nice assumption but completely incorrect. Where have I said anything that I don't like your opinion? You seem to be getting pretty defensive when all I did was ask for you to explain your comment.  Yes, in most cases actions speak louder than words.  But that's not always the case, and I don't see how being ok with what he says but not with his body language makes sense, but that's just me.

I'm sorry but it's funny that you think I'm being defensive. I've had the Stevie fight on this board before. I understand people feel differently. I'm ok with it. Some people aren't.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:03 AM

I voted no, but if they could get decent trade value for him then I'd say take it.  I would not flat out cut him though unless they had a plan to be able to upgrade his position with a inside receiver as they do not have one other than SJ13 now.