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#1 Yeezus

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:58 PM

These coaches are clueless

Shortening the offense for Manuel is only hurting him, because it makes it so much easier for the defense to predict our plays.

Have you ever noticed how the offense starts clicking when we are driving down the field in need of a TD? Also, we need EJ under center more, and need to be running under center. Those shotgun runs are awful, and don't even mention the read option.


Just a thought.

#2 jjmac

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:00 PM

The first step is to make sure EJ is protected.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:03 PM

He was trying so hard to aim/place the ball in the first Q.  Was so painful to watch……when he was in the zone…..his feet, the delivery and the  ball flight looked so much smoother.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:07 PM

Perhaps the coaches know their personnel can't do everything they'd like to and had to scale it back.  Hence, the bubble screens and short passes for EJM.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:11 PM

Offense is better when E.J. has time to throw.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:23 PM

View PostYeezus, on 15 December 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

These coaches are clueless

Shortening the offense for Manuel is only hurting him, because it makes it so much easier for the defense to predict our plays.

Have you ever noticed how the offense starts clicking when we are driving down the field in need of a TD? Also, we need EJ under center more, and need to be running under center. Those shotgun runs are awful, and don't even mention the read option.


Just a thought.

Been saying EJ should be under center n the shotgun run has been awful all year but Hackett continues to force it rather then coach to his players strengths

#7 Rivermont Mike

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:26 PM

What if there's an issue with his mechanics when under center?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 10:40 PM

View Postjjmac, on 15 December 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

The first step is to make sure EJ is protected.

And give him a legit running attack.  CJ's duds on first down are killing the Bills offense.  Is the problem the O-line or is CJ still not 100%?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:05 PM

I prefer EJ under center in all situations. Running and play action are more effective when he is under center.  



Stop giving shotgun hand offs to spiller Hacket!! It almost never works. Wasted plays.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:09 PM

View PostRivermont Mike, on 15 December 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

What if there's an issue with his mechanics when under center?

EJ clearly looks more comfortable under center then in the gun where he never seems to set his feet properly

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:09 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 December 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:



And give him a legit running attack.  CJ's duds on first down are killing the Bills offense.  Is the problem the O-line or is CJ still not 100%?

Both, and Hackett not knowing how to use CJ.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:15 AM

View Postfilthymcnasty08, on 15 December 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

He was trying so hard to aim/place the ball in the first Q.  Was so painful to watch……when he was in the zone…..his feet, the delivery and the  ball flight looked so much smoother.

I think EJ should start playing an imaginary quarter before the game, where he can stink up all he wants.  When he gets into the real 1st quarter, he would be warmed up and play better.   Seriously, the Bills needs to run better on 1st down rather than the 0 or 1 yard crap.  If they did that, then it allows for play action and also for the safeties to back off.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:01 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 December 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

And give him a legit running attack.  CJ's duds on first down are killing the Bills offense.  Is the problem the O-line or is CJ still not 100%?
That's because on 1st down, with CJ in there, they run 90% of the time. It would take a moron to not be able to defense that!

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:05 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 December 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

And give him a legit running attack.  CJ's duds on first down are killing the Bills offense.  Is the problem the O-line or is CJ still not 100%?

its a problem with both of those issues AND the fact that we run every single first down - I understand you must establish the run - but the coaching staff must also understand how incredibly predictable it makes the offense, its OK to throw on first down and run on second down - thats legal in the NFL

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:21 AM

View PostPaattMaann, on 16 December 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

its a problem with both of those issues AND the fact that we run every single first down - I understand you must establish the run - but the coaching staff must also understand how incredibly predictable it makes the offense, its OK to throw on first down and run on second down - thats legal in the NFL

We actually started to pass more on 1st down later in the game. The big drive at the end had EJ throwing on first down, but I agree CJ is not meant to run out of the gun. The angles he takes are wrong and he doesnt keep his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage.

I like EJ under center as long as he can play action and keep the linebackers up. Our deep play (when TJ and Marquise are out there) always has him under center. I think it is to give the WR more time to showcase their speed. Speaking of which, Is Graham good as gone or what. Such a finesse WR. Not cutting it.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:26 AM

View PostYeezus, on 15 December 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

These coaches are clueless

Shortening the offense for Manuel is only hurting him, because it makes it so much easier for the defense to predict our plays.

Have you ever noticed how the offense starts clicking when we are driving down the field in need of a TD? Also, we need EJ under center more, and need to be running under center. Those shotgun runs are awful, and don't even mention the read option.

Just a thought.

That's a partially good thought.   In short, spreading the field and running an up-tempo offense is the way to go - which also makes CJ far, far more effective - but that approach relies heavily upon good, quick decision-making by the QB.    Combine that with some forward-thinking tactics (e.g. understanding when we should be going-for-it on 4th down instead of <cringe> punting,  when we should be running it out of the endzone on kickoffs and taking advantage of the upside opportunity for breaking a huge play instead of the 1940s "play it safe and take it on the 20" approach) and we'll get somewhere.  EJ just doesn't quite have the chops yet to run that offense successfully.

Dare I say some of Chan's ideas in this regard were pretty good, but we lacked the right personnel to run it then too.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 12:11 PM

27 points and 370 yards! What incompetence!

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 December 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

And give him a legit running attack.  CJ's duds on first down are killing the Bills offense.  Is the problem the O-line or is CJ still not 100%?
Spiller so far in his career rips off some nice long runs, but a lot more of his runs are for little or no gain.  It's not a matter of him being hurt, but rather just a fact of life for a scat-back.  Hackett not realizing this is far more puzzling.

Edited by CodeMonkey, 16 December 2013 - 12:20 PM.