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#1 ....lybob

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:58 PM

Some pundits have Cleveland taking Johnny Football with the forth pick and I was thinking they may want Mike Evans too- Detroit may want another WR so a deal with the Bills might be an option for Cleveland, Cleveland besides having an extra first have extra picks in the third and forth round. The Bills pick at 9 would be traded for Cleveland's picks 26 from Indy, 35,  and their 83 from Pittsburgh .

Much speculation and such a thing is highly unlikely but if such an offer was on the table would you take it or is the quality at 9 more important than quantity.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:01 PM

Would not make that trade.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:22 PM

No thanks. Would need 2 late firsts to give up our 1st.

Id rather take Mike Evans than just about anyone in the draft so if he's there, I'm def not giving him away.

Edited by mrags, 15 January 2014 - 09:22 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:40 PM

I'd never make this trade. We need impact players, not roster depth built via trading down for more lower picks.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

My gut says I wouldn't be terribly far from saying yes. Draft has a lot of very good players and 3 picks in the top 40ish is appealing.

Late 1 early 2 lends itself well to getting a premiere TE, a very good LB and best WR/guard/RT available.

With an extra 3 and you could even start talking a depth runningback, or a sliding qb

Edited by NoSaint, 15 January 2014 - 09:59 PM.


#6 KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:05 PM

Absolutely. If we wasted the 9th overall on Evans as many would like I'd be devastated. Too early for a tight end as well. This Draft is deep. Get those picks.

Edited by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, 15 January 2014 - 10:06 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:59 PM

View Post67 Lion, on 15 January 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

I'd never make this trade. We need impact players, not roster depth built via trading down for more lower picks.

You do realize if the Bills didn't trade down last year they wouldn't have Kiko right?

I'm all for trading down and getting and extra second but not in favor of trading all the way down to 26

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:12 PM

Id definitely make that deal.
#26 - TE Austin Seferian Jenkins
#35- Og Cyril Richardson
#42- Og Gabe Jackson.
Free agency sign Sebastian Veeldeer and we would have best oline in Football
Still got 2 3rds to add lbs and wr's
Behind that oline I wouldn't be surprised to run 180 a gm

Edited by NastyNateSoldiers, 15 January 2014 - 11:16 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:46 AM

View PostNastyNateSoldiers, on 15 January 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

Id definitely make that deal.
#26 - TE Austin Seferian Jenkins
#35- Og Cyril Richardson
#42- Og Gabe Jackson.
Free agency sign Sebastian Veeldeer and we would have best oline in Football
Still got 2 3rds to add lbs and wr's
Behind that oline I wouldn't be surprised to run 180 a gm
I like your thinking

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:57 AM

Need a 2nd 2nd round pick to even consider moving down that far.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:00 AM

View PostKikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, on 15 January 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

Absolutely. If we wasted the 9th overall on Evans as many would like I'd be devastated. Too early for a tight end as well. This Draft is deep. Get those picks.
I can't stand when people are so steadfast in their opinion as far as who is going to be great and who is going to bust.  I'm sure there were people on Lions websites saying not to draft Calvin Johnson after their first round receiver woes.  I'm sure there were people on Falcons websites in an uproar when the Falcons wasted their late first rounder to trade up and take Julio Jones.  It's a crapshoot my friend.  Please don't pretend you know more than everyone else.  Personally, I like the sound of a 6'5" receiver.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:07 AM

Trading down 17 spots and getting and extra 3rd?  No thanks.  I'd be sick

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:18 AM

View PostNewEra, on 16 January 2014 - 02:07 AM, said:

Trading down 17 spots and getting and extra 3rd?  No thanks.  I'd be sick
Cleveland's picks 26 from Indy, 35,  and their 83 from Pittsburgh

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:31 AM

While I'm not opposed to the Bills trading down that wouldn't do it. The top of this draft is packed with positions the Bills need - LB, WR and OL. Unless somebody gives the Bills a sweetheart deal they should stand  pat and take their pick of a top flight guy at those positions.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:44 AM

View PostMDH, on 16 January 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

While I'm not opposed to the Bills trading down that wouldn't do it. The top of this draft is packed with positions the Bills need - LB, WR and OL. Unless somebody gives the Bills a sweetheart deal they should stand  pat and take their pick of a top flight guy at those positions.
This!

Lets also not forget this isn't the same old scouting dept or GM, and recall how good last years draft was.

Think of all those teams needing a QB in front of Buffalo. Texans, Browns, Jags, Browns, Raiders, Vikings could all be looking at one of those top QB's with their first pick. all vying for,Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Derek Carr.

Six teams that could utilize a QB, and four QB's possibly being drafted before Buffalo Picks at #9.  Its almost like they are getting a top six pick of the non QB's.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:47 AM

View Postmetzelaars_lives, on 16 January 2014 - 01:00 AM, said:


I can't stand when people are so steadfast in their opinion as far as who is going to be great and who is going to bust.  I'm sure there were people on Lions websites saying not to draft Calvin Johnson after their first round receiver woes.  I'm sure there were people on Falcons websites in an uproar when the Falcons wasted their late first rounder to trade up and take Julio Jones.  It's a crapshoot my friend.  Please don't pretend you know more than everyone else.  Personally, I like the sound of a 6'5" receiver.

So you don't like people having different opinions? A lot of posters like Evans. I do not. His supporters are steadfast that he'll be good. I guess only those steadfast opinions are acceptable to you. Do all people who like a Evans think they know more than everyone else as well? (You were really reaching with that comment.) I would be very unhappy if we drafted him at 9, hence, I feel it would be a waste. I'm glad that you would be happy no matter who we drafted at 9. I just think that he would be a huge reach. I have not seen the same WR that others have. I saw a big slow WR. Julio and Calvin were athletic FREAKS on a different level in my opinion. If Evans turns out to be elite (which is what he needs to be if drafted that high as a WR), then I will gladly eat crow.

Edited by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, 16 January 2014 - 06:54 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:53 AM

I would take that deal in a heartbeat.

It comes out way ahead for the Bills in trade value points, the compensation the Bills would get would be almost = to the compensation for a First round # 7 pick, not a # 9.

I would take ASJ, a big tall, tough TE who is more like a receiver
Shayne Skov, ILB , moving Kiko to the outside
The best available OL prospect
With one of two 3rds I would take the best available QB prospect to challenge EJ, and the BPA at an area of need.

It depends on how close you think the Bills are to actually making the playoffs. If you think the Bills are really just one non-QB superstar away from the playoffs, you take the #9.

Or if like me you think we are a number of pieces away, you take the trade down and try to make a serious run at the playoffs this year. I am tired of waiting. I want to give us a chance to make a serious run at the playoffs now. I don’t see us going all the way, but just want to finally at least get there after all these years.

Edited by simpleman, 16 January 2014 - 09:38 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:08 AM

View PostKikoSeeBallKikoGetBall, on 15 January 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

Absolutely. If we wasted the 9th overall on Evans as many would like I'd be devastated. Too early for a tight end as well. This Draft is deep. Get those picks.

+1

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:09 AM

View Postsimpleman, on 16 January 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

I would take that deal in a heartbeat.

It comes out way ahead for the Bills in trade value points, more like almost a 7th round compensation pick.

I would take ASJ, a big tall, tough TE who is more like a receiver
Shayne Skov, ILB , moving Kiko to the outside
The best available OL prospect
With one of two 3rds I would take the best available QB prospect to challenge EJ, and the BPA at an area of need.

It depends on how close you think the Bills are to actually making the playoffs. If you think the Bills are really just one non-QB superstar away from the playoffs, you take the #9.

Or if like me you think we are a number of pieces away, you take the trade down and try to make a serious run at the playoffs this year. I am tired of waiting. I want to give us a chance to make a serious run at the playoffs now. I don’t see us going all the way, but just want to finally at least get there after all these years.

TRADE  VALUE

#9- 1350

#26- 700 (1st round)
#35- 550  (2nd round)
#83- 175   (3rd round)
Total - 1425

Diff -  +75 (4th round)


I guess I would wait til we are on the clock......

that 2nd & 3rd  could be used to get another 1st.....

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:04 AM

This years 1st and 2nd from browns and a 2015 1st