Jump to content


HOF Bills want Tasker in next


  • Please log in to reply
51 replies to this topic

#1 papazoid

papazoid

    Veteran

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,122 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 05:49 PM

Buffalo's Hall of Famers from the AFC title teams believe Steve Tasker is the next player from their early 90's teams who deserves strong consideration for enshrinement. Tasker himself is uncertain that his career is worthy of Hall of Fame induction.

http://www.buffalobi...f1-69aa4a269cb3

#2 mrags

mrags

    All Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,209 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:08 PM

Before this year I would have said that Special teamers have no place in the HOF. But Ray Guy opened that can of worms. Now the flood gates will be open for special teamers all around. Because of this, there is no guy more worthy of the HOF because he revolutionized special teams coverage.



#3 swnybillsfan

swnybillsfan

    RFA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,458 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:16 PM

View Postmrags, on 04 February 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Before this year I would have said that Special teamers have no place in the HOF. But Ray Guy opened that can of worms. Now the flood gates will be open for special teamers all around. Because of this, there is no guy more worthy of the HOF because he revolutionized special teams coverage.
steve tasker was absolutely amazing to watch cover kicks. he was the deliverer of so many huge hits, but he also had a knack for giving the return man absolutely no shot at a decent return. it was kick...catch...crush!

#4 26CornerBlitz

26CornerBlitz

    Read The FN Manuel

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,396 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:18 PM

Listened to an interview with Mark Gaughn the other day and he doesn't think Tasker will get in any time soon.

#5 mrags

mrags

    All Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,209 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:30 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 04 February 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

Listened to an interview with Mark Gaughn the other day and he doesn't think Tasker will get in any time soon.
itll be a long time before it happens that's for sure. Like 15+ years IMO.

#6 Chef Jim

Chef Jim

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,945 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:31 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 04 February 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

Listened to an interview with Mark Gaughn the other day and he doesn't think Tasker will get in any time soon.

And a lot of the reason is that outside of Buffalo you'll get a lot of "who? :huh: "

#7 Mark Vader

Mark Vader

    All Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,658 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:42 PM

View Postmrags, on 04 February 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Before this year I would have said that Special teamers have no place in the HOF. But Ray Guy opened that can of worms. Now the flood gates will be open for special teamers all around. Because of this, there is no guy more worthy of the HOF because he revolutionized special teams coverage.
Ray Guy had to wait until he was eligible for the seniors committee. I think Tasker will have to wait just as long.

#8 mrags

mrags

    All Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,209 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:51 PM

View PostMark Vader, on 04 February 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:


Ray Guy had to wait until he was eligible for the seniors committee. I think Tasker will have to wait just as long.
might be right about that. What's the age range?

#9 RevWarRifleman

RevWarRifleman

    RFA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 624 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:11 PM

Yes, Tasker deserves to be in, and Talley too. I'm serious.

#10 BuffalOhio

BuffalOhio

    Kick cancer's a.., Jim!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 941 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:22 PM

I can't see how Andre Tippett is in the hall and Darryl Talley is not.  Complete injustice.

#11 Just Jack

Just Jack

    Lifting things up and putting them down

  • Global Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 26,614 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

View Postmrags, on 04 February 2014 - 07:51 PM, said:

might be right about that. What's the age range?

http://forums.twobil...tasker-in-next/


Quote

How is a Senior Candidate Chosen?

To assure that older players will be considered along with the Modern Era players, a Seniors Committee, made up of nine veteran members of the overall Selection Committee, has been established to consider nominees whose active career has been completed by at least 25 years.  

Like the full Committee, the members of the Seniors Committee are provided a preliminary list of eligible nominees.  The list, which is compiled and mailed to the selectors by June 1, includes carry-over nominations from the previous year, first-time eligible candidates, and nominations from any outside source.  By way of a mail ballot the Committee members reduce the list to 15 Senior Nominee finalists.   Five members of the nine-man Committee, selected on a rotating basis, are designated to attend the annual Seniors Committee meeting held in Canton, where they are charged with the responsibility of nominating two candidates from that list to be among the 17 finalists for Hall of Fame election.  In advance of the meeting, each selector is provided with detailed biographical information on the candidates.

Senior Committee members are assisted during their annual meeting by two Hall of Fame consultants, chosen by the Hall’s president, who were contemporaries of the majority of the nominees.  The consultants offer only their opinions and are not entitled to vote.  After each candidate is discussed thoroughly, the consultants are excused from the meeting.  Additional discussion is conducted followed by a series of reduction votes that results in the naming of two Senior Nominees.

Although the Senior Nominees will be presented to the full Selection Committee as two of the 17 finalists, their election to the Hall of Fame is not automatic.  The Senior Nominees must receive the same minimum 80% of the vote as a Modern Era candidate to be elected.


#12 HoF Watkins

HoF Watkins

    RFA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,200 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:29 PM

This guy isn't in the HoF


http://en.wikipedia....rican_football)

This guy...

http://en.wikipedia....i/Chuck_Foreman

This guy too...

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Don_Coryell

Can you "write the history of the NFL" without him?

Believe me, Don Coryell had a way bigger impact on the NFL than Steve Tasker and Darryl Talley combined.

Edited by Marauder'sMicro, 04 February 2014 - 10:38 PM.


#13 BADOLBEELZ

BADOLBEELZ

    Veteran

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,544 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:41 PM

View Postpapazoid, on 04 February 2014 - 05:49 PM, said:

Buffalo's Hall of Famers from the AFC title teams believe Steve Tasker is the next player from their early 90's teams who deserves strong consideration for enshrinement. Tasker himself is uncertain that his career is worthy of Hall of Fame induction.

http://www.buffalobi...f1-69aa4a269cb3

Tasker deserves to be in.   Marv does not.  The lineup is wrong but the count is right.

#14 BUNCH OF MULARKEY

BUNCH OF MULARKEY

    Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 417 posts

Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:26 PM

We'll we all know he'll never make it as a broadcaster.

#15 Buftex

Buftex

    JIM KELLY: the reason for the seasons!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,517 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:49 AM

View PostBADOLBEELZ, on 04 February 2014 - 09:41 PM, said:

Tasker deserves to be in.   Marv does not.  The lineup is wrong but the count is right.

He's already in, so he deserves it.

As a Bills fan I would put both guys in, but Tasker will have a harder road....it isn't happening any time soon.  Bill Polian will be the next "Bill" in there (in the next few years I would guess, unless he takes on another GM job), and it will be a long time before we see another...unless we pick up a HOFer in the future who spent most of his career elsewhere.

#16 folz

folz

    Practice Squad

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 243 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:50 AM

View PostBADOLBEELZ, on 04 February 2014 - 09:41 PM, said:

Tasker deserves to be in.   Marv does not.  The lineup is wrong but the count is right.

I still don't understand Bills fans (and I know that, surprisingly, there are a lot of them out there) who don't think Marv should be in the HOF. I really hope you/they read my entire
post even though it is long.


First of all, if it weren't for Marv (who was a former ST coach and focused a lot of practice time and know how to Special Teams) Tasker wouldn't have been the player he was.

And as they always say, leadership starts at the top...if it is a major feat/accomplishment for a team to reach 4 Superbowls in a row, does the head man not get credit for that too?
Any of his players will tell you that his talks and quotes from other great leaders, poetry, or just straight up Marvisms were totally motivating to the team. He was like Vince Lombardi in
that sense (without the hardware of course). He helped build that family mentality and the perseverance that allowed that team to keep coming back and never give up. From most
accounts, Marv was right in there in the planning of the K-Gun, but even if he had nothing to do with it concept-wise, he still made the decision to run it and run with it. He allowed
his QB to call the plays. That was innovation.

But, I know, it always comes down to the Superbowls though doesn't it? First of all, if Norwood's kick is two feet to the left he would have a ring. But, ok that didn't happen...yet, they lost by
1 point to two HOF coaches (in Parcells and Belicheck) and the NYG defensive game plan for that game is actually in the HOF...acknowledging that it was one of the greatest game plans ever...and still
they only lost by 1 point. Superbowl XXVI, I still don't understand what happened against the Redskins, but once again the game was against another HOF coach. The 3rd and
4th Superbowls that team just willed themselves there...but they just weren't as good of a team at that point and lost to a bigger, better team with a coach who will also probably make the
HOF. I mean Gibbs and Parcells are two of the greatest coaches ever. And let's not forget that just 5 weeks before that first Superbowl in week 15, the Bills beat that same Giants (Parcells/Belechick)
team in the Meadowlands in a similarly hard-fought 17-13 win. So, it's not like he was out of his league (as some like to claim) being badly out coached. Against two HOF coaches
that year, a 4 point win and a 1 point loss.

The other excuse is that he was just lucky to have good players. What Lombardi, Gibbs, Parcells, Belechick, Shula, Landry, Knoll, Stramm, Walsh, etc. didn't have good players?
Not only did he reach 4 Superbowls in the NFL, he also took his Montreal team to the CFL Grey Cup 3 times (out of only 5 years), winning two of them (with an entirely
different team of course). Yes, he actually won two championships. I know the CFL doesn't count for the NFL HOF, but if you are saying he only won because
of the players, his CFL wins say he could still win with different players.

People may point to his unsuccessful run in Kansas City. He took over a horrible 2-12 team and they improved their record every year under Marv to a 9-7 record in his
4th year. His 5th and last year in KC was the strike of 1982 where half the season was cancelled and Marv was fired at the end of that year. The Chiefs, as an organization, were simply a mess at
that time. Regarding that point, over the next 7 years (post Marv) the team only had 1 winning season (4 years after Marv was gone) and that stretch also included two 4 win seasons and two
6 win seasons. So, he didn't do that bad with what he had in KC.
  • Marv had a 17-6 record against the winningest coach in NFL History (Shula)
  • One of only 14 coaches to have more than 100 wins with one team
  • One of only two coaches to appear in both a Superbowl and a Grey Cup (Bud Grant was the other)
  • The only coach to guide his team to 4 Super Bowls in a row
  • Even ESPN, who we hate, right? have him ranked as the 17th best NFL coach ever
  • His 204 wins (NFL/CFL) ranks 7th all-time; when he retired he was the 10th winningest coach (NFL wins only)
  • In a 9-year span, he had a record of 97-47, with 6 Division titles, 8 playoff appearances, and 4 AFC titles
  • He was NFL Coach of the Year once and AFC Coach of the Year 3 times
"Where would you rather be than right here, right now?

"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us!"

"Fight on, my men, Sir Andrew said. A little I'm hurt but not yet slain. I'll just lie down and bleed a while and then I'll rise and fight again." (from a Scottish ballad)


Marv is and deserves to be a Hall of Famer...no question in my mind.

Edited by folz, 05 February 2014 - 01:10 AM.


#17 Mark Vader

Mark Vader

    All Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,658 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:09 AM

View PostMarauder, on 04 February 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

This guy isn't in the HoF


http://en.wikipedia....rican_football)

This guy...

http://en.wikipedia....i/Chuck_Foreman

This guy too...

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Don_Coryell

Can you "write the history of the NFL" without him?

Believe me, Don Coryell had a way bigger impact on the NFL than Steve Tasker and Darryl Talley combined.
Roger Craig: No.

Chuck Foreman: Probably.

Don Coryell: Definitely.

#18 Charles Romes

Charles Romes

    RFA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 803 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

I can't believe billy shaw got in.   I mean there are like 10 names from those teams people rattle rattle off before shaw.

#19 HoF Watkins

HoF Watkins

    RFA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,200 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:51 AM

View PostMark Vader, on 05 February 2014 - 01:09 AM, said:

Roger Craig: No.

Chuck Foreman: Probably.

Don Coryell: Definitely.

If 5 guys from the team that lost 4 Super Bowls in a row deserve to be there, then the main RB from premier team of the 80's deserves to be there. The thing is I AGREE that he doesn't deserve it....but either does Tasker!

View PostBuftex, on 05 February 2014 - 12:49 AM, said:

He's already in, so he deserves it.


And Tasker isn't, so he doesn't deserve it?    Cool

#20 Buftex

Buftex

    JIM KELLY: the reason for the seasons!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,517 posts

Posted 05 February 2014 - 02:44 AM

View PostMarauder, on 05 February 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

And Tasker isn't, so he doesn't deserve it?    Cool

He will deserve to be in, if he gets in...cool?  Do you think Ray Guy does not belong?  I suspect you don't think Reed belongs either.

There is no set standard for who goes in and who does not...

Any hall of fame argument that is framed with "this guy should get in, before that guy gets in" is stupid.  Including one guy, doesn't preclude somebody else from getting in.  Each guy should be judged on the merits of their career, not somebody elses.  I agree that Don Coyell should be in the HOF, but that doesn't mean Marv Levy does not.  Neither guy won a Super Bowl ring (as a head coach), but each made a unique positive contribution to the game, during their time.  For whatever reason, Levy's positive contribution seems to be appreciated more...at least by most non-Bills fans.

We are a self loathing bunch, it seems, so no big surprise that so many would be upset to see the best, most successful players/coaches in our teams' history to be honored.  Somebody who doesn't even know who Billy Shaw is, is doubting whether he should be in the HOF or not...these threads always bring out the worst in fans...not sure why exactly.

Edited by Buftex, 05 February 2014 - 02:51 AM.