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Change in running philosophy that makes CJ expendable?


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#1 PromoTheRobot

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:19 AM

Two things: the Dixon signing and the inability of the Bills to get CJ into space last year.

It seems like Hackett can't or won't use CJ the way Chan did. Maybe it was an O-line issue that we are working on fixing?

Or maybe the Bills are going to a straight-ahead power running game with Dixon, Freddy and maybe a rookie like Brandon Oliver?

If so could we flip CJ for picks? Just throwing it out there.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:22 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 March 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Two things: the Dixon signing and the inability of the Bills to get CJ into space last year.

It seems like Hackett can't or won't use CJ the way Chan did. Maybe it was an O-line issue that we are working on fixing?

Or maybe the Bills are going to a straight-ahead power running game with Dixon, Freddy and maybe a rookie like Brandon Oliver?

If so could we flip CJ for picks? Just throwing it out there.

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Like I stated in the other thread, CJ doesn't seem to fit what Marrone wants to do. If we could get a 2nd for him it'd be a win, maybe draft someone like Carlos Hyde. I feel like this offense is made for a RB that punishes defenses.

Teams these days are being built to stop the pass, put a team out there that punishes them on the ground and you'll have an advantage. Seattle is a perfect example of this. Whaley and co. Are moving ahead of the curve

Edited by Hazed and Amuzed, 15 March 2014 - 08:35 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:34 AM

If the Bills go after Tre Mason in the 2nd, I'd be elated. A great, inside, one cut runner who has proven time and again he is tough to bring down.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:46 AM

Andre Williams, RB, Boston College

Projected Round: 4th



0:28 is power.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:55 AM

View PostAlwaysBilleve, on 15 March 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Andre Williams, RB, Boston College

Projected Round: 4th

0:28 is power.
Definitely has power.  I find it strange (not in a good or bad way) the way he runs for a RB.  Most of the time you see shifty feet and shorter strides.  He looks full stride as soon as he gets the ball.

I wouldn't mind it.  We need another Williams on the team.

Edited by The Wiz, 15 March 2014 - 08:55 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:02 AM

Buy high sell low and make it up in volume.lol

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

It fits that he is up for a contract next year too.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:18 AM

No. Spiller is insanely productive for the number of carries he gets. Dixon was signed merely to give the Bills a good ST player and goal line battering ram. If anything the bills want to cut down on the penetration the line allows when Spiller is in the game.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:23 AM

Everyone forgets spiller went for 1600 yards the season before.   I am not in favor of letting him go anywhere.

He is a weapon when not hobbled by a high ankle sprain.    I understand the power back sentiment, but will still love to have cj around as long as he wishes to stay.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:24 AM

Good coaches fit their scheme to their talent.  It's why Pettine can come in here and help half the defense have career years by changing the scheme around, while Marrone/Hacket can come in and make even guys who were top league talents like Spiller look bad.  What the Bills need is an OC who finds ways to use his players effectively not one one trades them because they "don't fit" into what he is trying to do.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:30 AM

If Spiller is used the right way, he will be the biggest star on our offense and one of the biggest stars in the NFL.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:42 AM

spiller is a stud.

he played on two bum wheels last season. when healthy he is elite.

the line needs to open a hole or the coaches need to call a few more screen plays to get him into open space.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:50 AM

If our change in philosophy is less explosive plays, then yes, he doesn't fit

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:51 AM

I like Spiller. I like him a lot. People here absolutely ragged on him for his first two years until Freddy went down to injury. Last year he went into a new scheme, with a O-line that was worse than the year before and where everyone knew that the Bills were run first.

That said, I would not be at all shocked if the Bills want to start polishing a new guy in case they don't think they can keep him when he becomes a free agent. Considering how much they just spent, I have to wonder if the concern is justified.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

View Postpapazoid, on 15 March 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

spiller is a stud.

he played on two bum wheels last season. when healthy he is elite.

the line needs to open a hole or the coaches need to call a few more screen plays to get him into open space.

I like the way you think.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

View PostRyan L Billz, on 15 March 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

Everyone forgets spiller went for 1600 yards the season before.   I am not in favor of letting him go anywhere.

He is a weapon when not hobbled by a high ankle sprain. I understand the power back sentiment, but will still love to have cj around as long as he wishes to stay.

Not forgetting that at all, and not disparaging Spiller as a player.  Just asking if the Bills are getting away from the offense that made Spiller so productive under Chan.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

Nice ptr.  He has his fair share of doubters. I love the guy.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

CJ will be a wait and see thing. There is no question that Marrone is an old school NFC power running game disciple. I think that CJ functions best as the 2 in a 1-2 punch kind of way. Fred does the most with the least help and can punish people some times. Perhaps CJ should be the change of pace back? Start the game with Fred and Dixon spelling him and introduce CJ as things begin to open up?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 March 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:



Not forgetting that at all, and not disparaging Spiller as a player.  Just asking if the Bills are getting away from the offense that made Spiller so productive under Chan.

I don't blame RB's when 3/5ths [LG, RG, RT] of the O-line is below average.

they slightly fixed LG, now go get an OT at #9.

unfortunately, chan is/was a much better OC than Hackett.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:16 AM

View Postpapazoid, on 15 March 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

I don't blame RB's when 3/5ths [LG, RG, RT] of the O-line is below average.

they slightly fixed LG, now go get an OT at #9.

unfortunately, chan is/was a much better OC than Hackett.

I'm with you there. The O-line has to improve to help the RB's whoever they are.  It's probably the best thing to help EJ is getting the run game back to an effective level.