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Is Stevie expendable now that we got Williams?


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#1 Tipster19

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:44 PM

I'm not trying to get rid of him but I don't see how we are going to be able to use both of these WRs effectively. I read earlier that this trade may be an indicator that the Bills may want to get rid of Stevie. Cutting him isn't a solution because it would only be a savings of about $25,000.00 against the cap. The article offered that after this season it would be a lot more advantageous for the Bills. I don't know if a trade would be feasible but if so I'd be talking to Pettine over in Cleveland if so, they could use a #2 WR like Stevie.

#2 Ryan L Billz

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:49 PM

No room for wr's on roster ?    Woods Williams Stevie are top 3 w Goodwin situational is what one would assume?  

Williams had 200 yards last year, lets no take it that far.   Competition will be good for all parties involved.

Edited by Ryan L Billz, 04 April 2014 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:00 PM

View PostTipster19, on 04 April 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get rid of him but I don't see how we are going to be able to use both of these WRs effectively. I read earlier that this trade may be an indicator that the Bills may want to get rid of Stevie. Cutting him isn't a solution because it would only be a savings of about $25,000.00 against the cap. The article offered that after this season it would be a lot more advantageous for the Bills. I don't know if a trade would be feasible but if so I'd be talking to Pettine over in Cleveland if so, they could use a #2 WR like Stevie.

In the Williams thread, I figured SJ would be traded.  Looking like the odd man out in Marrone/Whaley new WR world.

#4 r00tabaga

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:04 PM

No chance they cut him.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:17 PM

View PostTipster19, on 04 April 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get rid of him but I don't see how we are going to be able to use both of these WRs effectively. I read earlier that this trade may be an indicator that the Bills may want to get rid of Stevie. Cutting him isn't a solution because it would only be a savings of about $25,000.00 against the cap. The article offered that after this season it would be a lot more advantageous for the Bills. I don't know if a trade would be feasible but if so I'd be talking to Pettine over in Cleveland if so, they could use a #2 WR like Stevie.
Cutting him only saves $25000 to $500000 against the cap this year.  However, I have seen, cutting him this year saves us $7 million plus next year against the cap, fyi.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:18 PM

I don't see any advantage to cutting Stevie right now.  For better or worse he is our #1 receiver.  Williams is a nice and relatively cheap pick up, if he pans out but Marrone said,  he"...has the size and athleticism to add competition to our receiver position group."  Not exactly a ringing endorsement if he's brought it for competition.  Certainly not brought it to replace anyone substantial.  
Next year...well, Stevie needs to bring it!!  

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:30 PM

No, no, no!!!


Why not have them both? What's the problem work having 2 good players at that position?

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:35 PM

View Postmrags, on 04 April 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

No, no, no!!!


Why not have them both? What's the problem work having 2 good players at that position?
This^

Stevie will play his natural position, slot receiver. Woods and Williams will play on the outside with Goodwin as a weapon like Tavon Austin.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:37 PM

Williams behavior makes him a total wild card. Definitely not in favor of cutting Stevie who may have his antics, but they never put him in jeopardy of being arrested or suspended.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:02 PM

Hey, ya never know with this team. This could easily backfire on the team should Williams find more trouble. The Bills seemed determined to bring in trouble with wanting DeSean Jackson, Kenny Britt, and don't forget they brought in Da Rick Rodgers last year.

OTOH, Every good team has at least two top WR's so opponents can't double or triple one of them. This move should help make the offense become much more explosive...provided they all stay healthy. Plus give EJ more options to throw to.

While I like the move, a lot depends on how everything else works out for the rest of the off season, the draft ect.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:42 PM

I'm amazed at the notion that we should get rid of our best WR because he isn't best enough.

And in favor of another teams baggage, to boot.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:54 PM

View PostTipster19, on 04 April 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get rid of him but I don't see how we are going to be able to use both of these WRs effectively. I read earlier that this trade may be an indicator that the Bills may want to get rid of Stevie. Cutting him isn't a solution because it would only be a savings of about $25,000.00 against the cap. The article offered that after this season it would be a lot more advantageous for the Bills. I don't know if a trade would be feasible but if so I'd be talking to Pettine over in Cleveland if so, they could use a #2 WR like Stevie.

Not sure if its a product of the O Tampa has been running, but Williams has seemed to be more of a vertical threat if anything else in the NFL.

If that is his strength, then a 4 WR set would have Williams and Goodwin out wide working deep, with Stevie and Woods from the slot or bunch working underneath. Could be potent. If that is how they want to use Williams, Graham is done.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:56 PM

Goodbye TJ Graham.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:06 PM

View PostDDD, on 04 April 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Goodbye TJ Graham.

TJ Graham will be our return specialist on punt/kick returns and a very good one! Was very good coming out of college.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 12:37 AM

Graham is as good as gone.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 01:01 AM

I highly doubt it. The addition of Williams allows them to move Stevie into the slot full time which is where they feel he fits best. Letting Stevie operate out of the slot will really be an asset for this offense. His defining trait is his ability to abuse CB's with his route running; he's an "ankle breaker" to borrow a basketball term. Also, WR's in the slot are much tougher to jam at the line which is another bonus. Then there is the fact he will be facing the defense's nickle back (3rd CB) whom is usually the least talented defensive back on the field.

They will have Mike Williams and Robert Woods on the outside with Stevie Johnson wreaking havoc out of the slot. Johnson has the talent to become a Wes Welker type player in that role.


Then again, he could be a very valuable asset come draft time for teams desperate for WR help *cough* Carolina *cough*. I said it in the Williams thread: I will take a proven NFL player nearly every time over drafting a kid who has not done a lick against NFL defenses. Stevie is a known commodity that has produced consistently against some of the best CB's the NFL has to offer. You can't say that about Mike Evans or Kelvin Benjamin. I wouldn't just give him away but I would definitely be listening to offers if I was Whaley.

Edited by smapdi, 05 April 2014 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 02:40 AM

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Is Stevie expendable now that we got Williams?


Wow. Just wow.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 02:53 AM

View PostTipster19, on 04 April 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get rid of him but I don't see how we are going to be able to use both of these WRs effectively. I read earlier that this trade may be an indicator that the Bills may want to get rid of Stevie. Cutting him isn't a solution because it would only be a savings of about $25,000.00 against the cap. The article offered that after this season it would be a lot more advantageous for the Bills. I don't know if a trade would be feasible but if so I'd be talking to Pettine over in Cleveland if so, they could use a #2 WR like Stevie.
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Posted 05 April 2014 - 05:43 AM

View PostFluffHead, on 04 April 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Williams behavior makes him a total wild card. Definitely not in favor of cutting Stevie who may have his antics, but they never put him in jeopardy of being arrested or suspended.

Agreed.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 05:58 AM

View Postgjnoronh, on 05 April 2014 - 05:43 AM, said:

Agreed.
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