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#1 OldTimer1960

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:44 PM

This team was attempting to build a very strong defense to keep it in contention while they added young talent to the offense.  The team was intended to win with defense and not lose the game on offense.

This is illustrated by the selection of EJ Manuel as it's QB.  I think that Manuel can be a competent starter with a very good defense to take pressure off of him and significant talent around him on offense.  However, I don't see Manuel as a top 5 QB. Who can carry a team on his back.

I felt that the Bills' strategy of building a very strong D and adding offensive talent around Manuel was a good one.  Unfortunately, the defense that was the foundation of the team has crumbled this offseason - mostly through no fault of the organization.  Byrd didn't want to be here, so one Pro Bowl defender gone.  Then the Browns hired DC Mike Pettiness away leaving Jim Schwartz and his whack wide-9 scheme in its place.  Next, talented but under-achieving Marcell Dareus put himself in position to be suspended.  Finally (hopefully), the Bills lost their only starting caliber LB. (Alonzo).  

The team is now left with 3-4 personnel trying to play a 4-3- likely missing Dareus for a chunk ofmthenseason.  I would venture to say that the defense went from potentially very good to a liability with perhaps a bottom 10 defense.  

The offense now has some young talent at WR and OL, with an inexperienced QB who has shown enough to be hopeful that he could become an effective game manager.

Unfortunately, they really needed to focus on winning 14-10, but now they'll be lucky to hold many opponents below 25-30 points - that is a pace that this young O could not sustain for an entire half

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostOldTimer1960, on 02 July 2014 - 07:44 PM, said:

Unfortunately, they really needed to focus on winning 14-10, but now they'll be lucky to hold many opponents below 25-30 points - that is a pace that this young O could not sustain for an entire half
why?

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:57 PM

The Bills will win at least 12 games this year.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:00 PM

So, you're a "glass half empty" guy?

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:02 PM

The season is still months away and already the Doomsday Scenarios abound!!

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:04 PM

View PostMyHorseAteTheKid, on 02 July 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

The season is still months away and already the Doomsday Scenarios abound!!
I'm trying to figure out if this is a Kiko thread, but, I didn't think he was worth 20 points/game so I'm waiting for verification.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:08 PM

old timer, on this one I think your running down the hall with your hair on fire.  You place lots of good posts, but I don't see it the same.  We have talent to play a 4-3 and 3-4.  last year we lined up as much in a 4-3 as a 3-4.  They added nice depth in needed positions with drafting Brown, and more importantly picking up Graham which is a nice find at CB but could also be a safety, Spikes who will bolster against the run, and Nigel is better suited for the Will in a 4-3.

Kiko will hurt, but it doesn't mean the sky is falling.

We'll be fine partner.  What disappoints me is my hopes were very high with an improved offensive pass play, a better more athletic bigger line means a better run, so more ball control, and a more well rested defense.  I thought Kiko moving to the Will meant he breaks out this year even more, and we have a punishing defense.  With that said, losing him doesn't mean we will suck.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:09 PM

View Postmachine gun kelly, on 02 July 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

old timer, on this one I think your running down the hall with your hair on fire.  You place lots of good posts, but I don't see it the same.  We have talent to play a 4-3 and 3-4.  last year we lined up as much in a 4-3 as a 3-4.  They added nice depth in needed positions with drafting Brown, and more importantly picking up Graham which is a nice find at CB but could also be a safety, Spikes who will bolster against the run, and Nigel is better suited for the Will in a 4-3.

Kiko will hurt, but it doesn't mean the sky is falling.

We'll be fine partner.  What disappoints me is my hopes were very high with an improved offensive pass play, a better more athletic bigger line means a better run, so more ball control, and a more well rested defense.  I thought Kiko moving to the Will meant he breaks out this year even more, and we have a punishing defense.  With that said, losing him doesn't mean we will suck.
So, this is a Kiko thread and it should be closed as a duplicate?

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:12 PM

View PostRocky Landing, on 02 July 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

So, you're a "glass half empty" guy?
Has the glass ever been half full in the past decade, not counting off season?

#10 KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:27 PM

Stay away from sharp objects.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:28 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

I'm trying to figure out if this is a Kiko thread, but, I didn't think he was worth 20 points/game so I'm waiting for verification.

Exactly.   Obviously you know it is and are nicely saying the idea of one guy going down ruins the season is nuts.  The only player who can potentially crash the season is the QB (S).

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:36 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

I'm trying to figure out if this is a Kiko thread, but, I didn't think he was worth 20 points/game so I'm waiting for verification.
lol. same thing I was thinking! Someone earlier said the poster was a glass half full guy... I think someone spilled his milk. This is why the
Team drafted Preston Brown. this stuff happens. Sucks that we wont see Kiko this year but this is the best time for this to happen. Better than
Third pre season game like last years injuries.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:47 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

why?

Lost one player. DOOOOOMED.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:52 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

why?

+1

#15 Rocky Landing

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:59 PM

View PostThe Wiz, on 02 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Has the glass ever been half full in the past decade, not counting off season?
This is the offseason.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:07 PM

so the thread could have gone like this...

we lost byrd last season and only have 3 guys in place to take his spot
dareus got arrested 2 months ago but will still play
kiko got injured.

so kiko was worth 20 pts a game???   the new rookie cant tackle or something?

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:25 PM

View PostRocky Landing, on 02 July 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

This is the offseason.
So we have subjected ourselves to all year doom and gloom then?

Edited by The Wiz, 03 July 2014 - 07:05 AM.


#18 JR in Pittsburgh

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:33 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

So, this is a Kiko thread and it should be closed as a duplicate?

And now is the time for me to enter to tell the world:

In like McGlinn.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:36 PM

View PostBeerball, on 02 July 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

I'm trying to figure out if this is a Kiko thread,

Maybe we can swing it to a "the team's future depends on EJ" thread. We can always use another one of those.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:43 PM

I'm not taking his side on the Doom, but can't you people read???

He's not saying Kiko is worth 20 points. He's saying that a promising strategy is being derailed due to a sequence of bad luck on the defense:  losing Byrd, losing Pettine, Dareous' stupidity and possible suspension, and now losing our best linebacker. Add up all of those things and you're arguably talking 20 points - that's what he's saying, and that's why the thread is 'Crumbling Foundation' and not 'Yet another Kiko post'.

20 points?  I don't know about that many. But I think the basic point is legit.