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#1 JohnnyGold

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

This organization is like the tree in your backyard that's dying. Oh sure, there are some branches with some green leaves on it, but by and large it's dead. You know it's dead, and the only thing to do is call a tree guy to come cut it down, chip it up, grind the stump, and give you the bill for it.

That's the Bills for you right there--oh sure, Sammy Watkins may be great, Dareus is a pro bowler, Spiller has looked good in places... there's some healthy young, green leaf growth right there. But the trunk? Dead. And before you jump down my throat and say "Is this another Kiko post? lol" consider the following--there was a point during the offseason (before the Byrd negotiations) where Marrone let it leak that there is a rift between the bean counters and the football guys. Well, I'll lump them all together: everyone must go.

See, here's the thing: I may be the biggest optimist on here. When the Bills are there usual 4-8, I'm the one on ESPN.com's playoff calculator figuring out just how easy it will be for the Bills to steal the 6 seed. I'm the one staying up to watch the Chargers/Bengals games in week 15, because it impacts the chances of the Bills getting a wild-card at 7-9. But not this year.

On offense: we lost our best receiver. Yes, our best receiver. I dont care about his antics, or what you think a true number 1 receiver should look like. It doesn't matter--Stevie Johnson was our biggest producer on offense over the last 3 years, and he's gone. Who will replace him? It's a gamble, but for whatever reason, Whaley saw fit to ship out our most productive offensive weapon. Our best running back is now a year older and 30 is long-since faded out of his rear-view mirror. We are, at this point in time, worse on offense. Oh sure, there's potential to be better, but for now, we are worse.

On defense: our coordinator, gone. our best safety, gone. our best linebacker, done for the season. our best d-lineman, in trouble with the law. this is a problem. The strength of our 5-11 unit is now weaker. this is undeniable. do not try to tell me that i am a glass half empty person, this point is irrefutable: our defense is weaker.

special teams: an absolute disaster last season, remains largely intact. Same coaching. this is also a problem.

And most importantly (as everyone will note) our quarterback, because this is what our season hinges on, right?: missed too many games to injury last season, a major major problem that Bills fans seem to be in denial about. 3 knee injuries in one season? THREE KNEE INJURIES IN ONE SEASON? If that happened to Brady, we would be dancing in the street. But in Buffalo? That's cause for optimism because he "hasn't had a full season to show us what he can do yet!" Well, in the limited time he did have to show us what he could do, he was middling. a .500 qb at best, who looks like he needs to be surrounded by an extremely talented cast to succeed. He is not a game changer, he is not elite, he can not put this team on his back and take us to the Super Bowl. It's not happening, and in your heart, you know that's true.

So a 5-11 team (please note the 1 game regression from Gailey's teams--we got worse, not better) who is weaker across the board, is going to turn it around this year? What, may I ask, in the last 15 years, has given you ANY indication whatsoever, that that is going to happen? It isnt. But for the first time ever, this is now a good thing. A new owner will inherit this train wreck. And after another typical, awful 4-12 Bills train wreck, there will finally be some accountability.

And it starts right with the golden boy GM, because our rebuild will have to be put off ANOTHER year--with no first round draft pick in next years selection meeting, we suddenly will be the most pathetic franchise in the NFL. If we truly, truly bottom out, (and im talking 0-16 here folks) that should be all the impetus that is needed to drop an a-bomb at one bills drive and clean house. everyone: from russ to the ball boys.

Sorry to piss in your coffee this morning, but I've been thinking about this a lot since OTA's. But ask yourself this: are the pieces in place for this team to win a super bowl? Do you think EJ Manuel can be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? Ask yourself that. Don't just hit reply and tell me the sky isn't falling: ask yourself if you can picture EJ Manuel hoisting the lombardi trophy. If you're older than a 4th grader, the answer is likely "no."

So open your mind. Let's be happy when Pegula takes over ownership, and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: the curtain call for Bills football as we've known it for 2 decades. Yes, it's going to be painful to watch us struggle this year, and yes it's going to be even worse next offseason knowing we don't have a first round pick, but good times are on the horizon.

Edited by JohnnyGold, 03 July 2014 - 07:46 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:50 AM

You want us to go 0-16 when we have no 1st round pick?


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:55 AM

View PostCanadian Bills Fan, on 03 July 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

You want us to go 0-16 when we have no 1st round pick?


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absolutely.

that is, to me, immensely more preferable than going 7-9 and maintaining status quo.

i want pegula to sit in the owners box and watch this train wreck. i want the wheels to come off. and then i want the league to laugh at us for not having a first round pick next year. i want it to be a disaster.

and i want that because i want everyone associated with buffalo bills football to be fired. littman, overdorff, whaley, brandon, marrone, hacket. everyone.

the bills have drafted all-stars: turn on the tv, youll see them winning super bowls and playoff games for other teams around the league.

we suck. we're poorly run. and we're going to be bad again this year, because we didn't upgrade our team. but the problem is: there's no relief next year, because our gm gave up our pick.

so let's be done with it, once and for all. let's get rid of all the guys out who have carved out their seat of power in the organization. let's build a winner from the top down. that's not happening if we go 8-8.

we need to fail. spectacularly.

Edited by JohnnyGold, 03 July 2014 - 07:56 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:57 AM

We were 6-10, not 5-11. This is the second year of a promising regime, led by Whaley. If we flop like you suggest then Whaley is gone and I am not in support of this. Enjoy rooting against the bills this season, "fan".

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:58 AM

Do me a favor go out in your backyard and climb to the tippy top of that dying tree ( bring your cell phone with you). Call that tree guy and tell him to hurry over and cut down the tree that your in. Ahhhhhh I can see it now.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:02 AM

So the entire post is "I'm an optimist, and I think we suck, so you should all agree with my opinions or you're 4th graders"?

No, the offense isn't worse.  Stevie Johnson wasn't the most productive passing target on the team last year; that was Chandler.  It's also short-sighted to say we're worse on offense when we've added Watkins, Bryce Brown, and Anthony Dixon and lost only Johnson (who pretty much any Bills' fan could tell didn't have very good chemistry with Manuel).  I also noticed that you conveniently ignored the 4 offensive linemen the team added this off-season.

No, the defense isn't worse.  The run D was historically bad, and the team added one of (if not the) best run-stopping LBs in football.  Also, Mario Williams is the team's best DLmen, not Dareus.  They drafted Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, and Randell Johnson.  They also added Corey Graham and are likely to have Gilmore back at full speed.  To say the defense is worse is an assumption, not an undeniable truth as you claim.  Jim Schwartz is a very sharp football mind, and had strong defensive success at times in Tennessee.

No, the ST unit isn't the same.  The team added specific ST pieces in Dixon and Graham, and should get a boost from the increase in overall team depth.

As to EJ, nobody knows whether or not he's a franchise guy...all I can tell you is that it would be irrefutably ignorant for someone to gauge their opinion based on whether or not they can picture a guy lifting a piece of metal; it would be even greater folly to suggest anyone that can do so is juvenile or unintelligent.

So open your mind.  Let's be happy IF Pegula takes ownership (it's not a given), and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: Buffalo Bills football.  No, you have no idea if it'll be painful or fun, a struggle or a success, or whether things will get significantly better this season or next, but I agree that good times are on the horizon.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:02 AM

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:11 AM

View Postthebandit27, on 03 July 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

So the entire post is "I'm an optimist, and I think we suck, so you should all agree with my opinions or you're 4th graders"?

No, the offense isn't worse.  Stevie Johnson wasn't the most productive passing target on the team last year; that was Chandler.  It's also short-sighted to say we're worse on offense when we've added Watkins, Bryce Brown, and Anthony Dixon and lost only Johnson (who pretty much any Bills' fan could tell didn't have very good chemistry with Manuel).  I also noticed that you conveniently ignored the 4 offensive linemen the team added this off-season.

No, the defense isn't worse.  The run D was historically bad, and the team added one of (if not the) best run-stopping LBs in football.  Also, Mario Williams is the team's best DLmen, not Dareus.  They drafted Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, and Randell Johnson.  They also added Corey Graham and are likely to have Gilmore back at full speed.  To say the defense is worse is an assumption, not an undeniable truth as you claim.  Jim Schwartz is a very sharp football mind, and had strong defensive success at times in Tennessee.

No, the ST unit isn't the same.  The team added specific ST pieces in Dixon and Graham, and should get a boost from the increase in overall team depth.

As to EJ, nobody knows whether or not he's a franchise guy...all I can tell you is that it would be irrefutably ignorant for someone to gauge their opinion based on whether or not they can picture a guy lifting a piece of metal; it would be even greater folly to suggest anyone that can do so is juvenile or unintelligent.

So open your mind.  Let's be happy IF Pegula takes ownership (it's not a given), and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: Buffalo Bills football.  No, you have no idea if it'll be painful or fun, a struggle or a success, or whether things will get significantly better this season or next, but I agree that good times are on the horizon.
Nicely done.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:13 AM

If the wheels are going to come off, I'd rather we do it next season so we can at least start fresh with a nice shiny 1st round draft pick.

I agree with much of what you say, though. This is a rather poorly run organization, and it starts at the top. We have some pretty glaring holes at important positions. Our coaches are questionable at best. We do not have an easy schedule.

I could easily see us come away with a 4 win season. BUT... if those question marks have positive answers, I could easily see us with 10 wins.

Either way, I'll be watching and rooting, and hoping for the best.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:14 AM

Where is DC Tom when we really need him?

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:18 AM

View Postthebandit27, on 03 July 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

So the entire post is "I'm an optimist, and I think we suck, so you should all agree with my opinions or you're 4th graders"?

No, the offense isn't worse.  Stevie Johnson wasn't the most productive passing target on the team last year; that was Chandler.  It's also short-sighted to say we're worse on offense when we've added Watkins, Bryce Brown, and Anthony Dixon and lost only Johnson (who pretty much any Bills' fan could tell didn't have very good chemistry with Manuel).  I also noticed that you conveniently ignored the 4 offensive linemen the team added this off-season.

No, the defense isn't worse.  The run D was historically bad, and the team added one of (if not the) best run-stopping LBs in football.  Also, Mario Williams is the team's best DLmen, not Dareus.  They drafted Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, and Randell Johnson.  They also added Corey Graham and are likely to have Gilmore back at full speed.  To say the defense is worse is an assumption, not an undeniable truth as you claim.  Jim Schwartz is a very sharp football mind, and had strong defensive success at times in Tennessee.

No, the ST unit isn't the same.  The team added specific ST pieces in Dixon and Graham, and should get a boost from the increase in overall team depth.

As to EJ, nobody knows whether or not he's a franchise guy...all I can tell you is that it would be irrefutably ignorant for someone to gauge their opinion based on whether or not they can picture a guy lifting a piece of metal; it would be even greater folly to suggest anyone that can do so is juvenile or unintelligent.

So open your mind.  Let's be happy IF Pegula takes ownership (it's not a given), and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: Buffalo Bills football.  No, you have no idea if it'll be painful or fun, a struggle or a success, or whether things will get significantly better this season or next, but I agree that good times are on the horizon.

How dare you post something rational and optimistic ...

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:25 AM

Man, I thought I was down about this team. I think they will really stink it up again this season, but I certainly don't want them to go 0-16.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:25 AM

Poopy diapers, OP. Poopy diapers. :thumbdown: You need them changed or it's going to be rough for you sitting on the sidelines this year.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:28 AM

View PostJohnnyGold, on 03 July 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

absolutely.

that is, to me, immensely more preferable than going 7-9 and maintaining status quo.

i want pegula to sit in the owners box and watch this train wreck. i want the wheels to come off. and then i want the league to laugh at us for not having a first round pick next year. i want it to be a disaster.

and i want that because i want everyone associated with buffalo bills football to be fired. littman, overdorff, whaley, brandon, marrone, hacket. everyone.

the bills have drafted all-stars: turn on the tv, youll see them winning super bowls and playoff games for other teams around the league.

we suck. we're poorly run. and we're going to be bad again this year, because we didn't upgrade our team. but the problem is: there's no relief next year, because our gm gave up our pick.

so let's be done with it, once and for all. let's get rid of all the guys out who have carved out their seat of power in the organization. let's build a winner from the top down. that's not happening if we go 8-8.

we need to fail. spectacularly.
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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:29 AM

View Postthebandit27, on 03 July 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

So the entire post is "I'm an optimist, and I think we suck, so you should all agree with my opinions or you're 4th graders"?

No, the offense isn't worse.  Stevie Johnson wasn't the most productive passing target on the team last year; that was Chandler.  It's also short-sighted to say we're worse on offense when we've added Watkins, Bryce Brown, and Anthony Dixon and lost only Johnson (who pretty much any Bills' fan could tell didn't have very good chemistry with Manuel).  I also noticed that you conveniently ignored the 4 offensive linemen the team added this off-season.

No, the defense isn't worse.  The run D was historically bad, and the team added one of (if not the) best run-stopping LBs in football.  Also, Mario Williams is the team's best DLmen, not Dareus.  They drafted Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, and Randell Johnson.  They also added Corey Graham and are likely to have Gilmore back at full speed.  To say the defense is worse is an assumption, not an undeniable truth as you claim.  Jim Schwartz is a very sharp football mind, and had strong defensive success at times in Tennessee.

No, the ST unit isn't the same.  The team added specific ST pieces in Dixon and Graham, and should get a boost from the increase in overall team depth.

As to EJ, nobody knows whether or not he's a franchise guy...all I can tell you is that it would be irrefutably ignorant for someone to gauge their opinion based on whether or not they can picture a guy lifting a piece of metal; it would be even greater folly to suggest anyone that can do so is juvenile or unintelligent.

So open your mind.  Let's be happy IF Pegula takes ownership (it's not a given), and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: Buffalo Bills football.  No, you have no idea if it'll be painful or fun, a struggle or a success, or whether things will get significantly better this season or next, but I agree that good times are on the horizon.

Very good post.  One of your best IMO. :thumbsup:

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:34 AM

View PostJohnnyGold, on 03 July 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

This organization is like the tree in your backyard that's dying. Oh sure, there are some branches with some green leaves on it, but by and large it's dead. You know it's dead, and the only thing to do is call a tree guy to come cut it down, chip it up, grind the stump, and give you the bill for it.

That's the Bills for you right there--oh sure, Sammy Watkins may be great, Dareus is a pro bowler, Spiller has looked good in places... there's some healthy young, green leaf growth right there. But the trunk? Dead. And before you jump down my throat and say "Is this another Kiko post? lol" consider the following--there was a point during the offseason (before the Byrd negotiations) where Marrone let it leak that there is a rift between the bean counters and the football guys. Well, I'll lump them all together: everyone must go.

See, here's the thing: I may be the biggest optimist on here. When the Bills are there usual 4-8, I'm the one on ESPN.com's playoff calculator figuring out just how easy it will be for the Bills to steal the 6 seed. I'm the one staying up to watch the Chargers/Bengals games in week 15, because it impacts the chances of the Bills getting a wild-card at 7-9. But not this year.

On offense: we lost our best receiver. Yes, our best receiver. I dont care about his antics, or what you think a true number 1 receiver should look like. It doesn't matter--Stevie Johnson was our biggest producer on offense over the last 3 years, and he's gone. Who will replace him? It's a gamble, but for whatever reason, Whaley saw fit to ship out our most productive offensive weapon. Our best running back is now a year older and 30 is long-since faded out of his rear-view mirror. We are, at this point in time, worse on offense. Oh sure, there's potential to be better, but for now, we are worse.

On defense: our coordinator, gone. our best safety, gone. our best linebacker, done for the season. our best d-lineman, in trouble with the law. this is a problem. The strength of our 5-11 unit is now weaker. this is undeniable. do not try to tell me that i am a glass half empty person, this point is irrefutable: our defense is weaker.

special teams: an absolute disaster last season, remains largely intact. Same coaching. this is also a problem.

And most importantly (as everyone will note) our quarterback, because this is what our season hinges on, right?: missed too many games to injury last season, a major major problem that Bills fans seem to be in denial about. 3 knee injuries in one season? THREE KNEE INJURIES IN ONE SEASON? If that happened to Brady, we would be dancing in the street. But in Buffalo? That's cause for optimism because he "hasn't had a full season to show us what he can do yet!" Well, in the limited time he did have to show us what he could do, he was middling. a .500 qb at best, who looks like he needs to be surrounded by an extremely talented cast to succeed. He is not a game changer, he is not elite, he can not put this team on his back and take us to the Super Bowl. It's not happening, and in your heart, you know that's true.

So a 5-11 team (please note the 1 game regression from Gailey's teams--we got worse, not better) who is weaker across the board, is going to turn it around this year? What, may I ask, in the last 15 years, has given you ANY indication whatsoever, that that is going to happen? It isnt. But for the first time ever, this is now a good thing. A new owner will inherit this train wreck. And after another typical, awful 4-12 Bills train wreck, there will finally be some accountability.

And it starts right with the golden boy GM, because our rebuild will have to be put off ANOTHER year--with no first round draft pick in next years selection meeting, we suddenly will be the most pathetic franchise in the NFL. If we truly, truly bottom out, (and im talking 0-16 here folks) that should be all the impetus that is needed to drop an a-bomb at one bills drive and clean house. everyone: from russ to the ball boys.

Sorry to piss in your coffee this morning, but I've been thinking about this a lot since OTA's. But ask yourself this: are the pieces in place for this team to win a super bowl? Do you think EJ Manuel can be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? Ask yourself that. Don't just hit reply and tell me the sky isn't falling: ask yourself if you can picture EJ Manuel hoisting the lombardi trophy. If you're older than a 4th grader, the answer is likely "no."

So open your mind. Let's be happy when Pegula takes over ownership, and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: the curtain call for Bills football as we've known it for 2 decades. Yes, it's going to be painful to watch us struggle this year, and yes it's going to be even worse next offseason knowing we don't have a first round pick, but good times are on the horizon.
I'm twice the optimist you are. I hope we go 0-16 this year and the next.  That will show them!

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:35 AM

I wish it were possible to block users like the one who posted this so that any future post would be unavailable to view. What a waste of time that was!

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:35 AM

View PostJohnnyGold, on 03 July 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

This organization is like the tree in your backyard that's dying. Oh sure, there are some branches with some green leaves on it, but by and large it's dead. You know it's dead, and the only thing to do is call a tree guy to come cut it down, chip it up, grind the stump, and give you the bill for it.

That's the Bills for you right there--oh sure, Sammy Watkins may be great, Dareus is a pro bowler, Spiller has looked good in places... there's some healthy young, green leaf growth right there. But the trunk? Dead. And before you jump down my throat and say "Is this another Kiko post? lol" consider the following--there was a point during the offseason (before the Byrd negotiations) where Marrone let it leak that there is a rift between the bean counters and the football guys. Well, I'll lump them all together: everyone must go.

See, here's the thing: I may be the biggest optimist on here. When the Bills are there usual 4-8, I'm the one on ESPN.com's playoff calculator figuring out just how easy it will be for the Bills to steal the 6 seed. I'm the one staying up to watch the Chargers/Bengals games in week 15, because it impacts the chances of the Bills getting a wild-card at 7-9. But not this year.

On offense: we lost our best receiver. Yes, our best receiver. I dont care about his antics, or what you think a true number 1 receiver should look like. It doesn't matter--Stevie Johnson was our biggest producer on offense over the last 3 years, and he's gone. Who will replace him? It's a gamble, but for whatever reason, Whaley saw fit to ship out our most productive offensive weapon. Our best running back is now a year older and 30 is long-since faded out of his rear-view mirror. We are, at this point in time, worse on offense. Oh sure, there's potential to be better, but for now, we are worse.

On defense: our coordinator, gone. our best safety, gone. our best linebacker, done for the season. our best d-lineman, in trouble with the law. this is a problem. The strength of our 5-11 unit is now weaker. this is undeniable. do not try to tell me that i am a glass half empty person, this point is irrefutable: our defense is weaker.

special teams: an absolute disaster last season, remains largely intact. Same coaching. this is also a problem.

And most importantly (as everyone will note) our quarterback, because this is what our season hinges on, right?: missed too many games to injury last season, a major major problem that Bills fans seem to be in denial about. 3 knee injuries in one season? THREE KNEE INJURIES IN ONE SEASON? If that happened to Brady, we would be dancing in the street. But in Buffalo? That's cause for optimism because he "hasn't had a full season to show us what he can do yet!" Well, in the limited time he did have to show us what he could do, he was middling. a .500 qb at best, who looks like he needs to be surrounded by an extremely talented cast to succeed. He is not a game changer, he is not elite, he can not put this team on his back and take us to the Super Bowl. It's not happening, and in your heart, you know that's true.

So a 5-11 team (please note the 1 game regression from Gailey's teams--we got worse, not better) who is weaker across the board, is going to turn it around this year? What, may I ask, in the last 15 years, has given you ANY indication whatsoever, that that is going to happen? It isnt. But for the first time ever, this is now a good thing. A new owner will inherit this train wreck. And after another typical, awful 4-12 Bills train wreck, there will finally be some accountability.

And it starts right with the golden boy GM, because our rebuild will have to be put off ANOTHER year--with no first round draft pick in next years selection meeting, we suddenly will be the most pathetic franchise in the NFL. If we truly, truly bottom out, (and im talking 0-16 here folks) that should be all the impetus that is needed to drop an a-bomb at one bills drive and clean house. everyone: from russ to the ball boys.

Sorry to piss in your coffee this morning, but I've been thinking about this a lot since OTA's. But ask yourself this: are the pieces in place for this team to win a super bowl? Do you think EJ Manuel can be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? Ask yourself that. Don't just hit reply and tell me the sky isn't falling: ask yourself if you can picture EJ Manuel hoisting the lombardi trophy. If you're older than a 4th grader, the answer is likely "no."

So open your mind. Let's be happy when Pegula takes over ownership, and then let's just enjoy this season for what it is: the curtain call for Bills football as we've known it for 2 decades. Yes, it's going to be painful to watch us struggle this year, and yes it's going to be even worse next offseason knowing we don't have a first round pick, but good times are on the horizon.

Just because your brain has diarrhea doesn't mean you have to share the crap with the rest of us.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:35 AM

OP it is clear you are not only clueless but not a fan as well. I can see if we are say 3-10 losing out but to want to go 0-16?  BTW we lose the entire front office, coaching and scouting with a new owner if we do that. Congrats Moron you want us to be set back another 10 years AND with NO first round pick.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:37 AM

No fan wants their team to truly go 0-16.