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#3961 thebandit27

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:37 AM

I agree JohnC, Buffalo has to get better on D.  You can definitely see the impact that defensemen that can move the puck have in the NHL playoffs.  Nashville is just fantastic when it comes to clearing the zone and moving the puck.  And who knows, maybe their defensive coach may be coaching in Buffalo soon...

 

I think they almost have to make a run at Shattenkirk in FA.

 

Just think how different the top-5 D could look next season if it includes Risto, Shatty, McCabe, Antipin, and Guhle.

 

As I've said though, Shattenkirk will be the prize of all FA prizes, so I'd probably be prepared to settle for Karl Alzner as a consolation.  More of a 2nd/3rd pair guy, but solid.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

 

I think they almost have to make a run at Shattenkirk in FA.

 

Just think how different the top-5 D could look next season if it includes Risto, Shatty, McCabe, Antipin, and Guhle.

 

As I've said though, Shattenkirk will be the prize of all FA prizes, so I'd probably be prepared to settle for Karl Alzner as a consolation.  More of a 2nd/3rd pair guy, but solid.

Please God no...on both Shattenkirk and Alzner. I have never understood the love for Shattenkirk. Now, that is based more on seeing him in playoffs more than the regular season, and assuming he gets 6yr x $7m...not interested.

 

Alzner I like a bit more, but again depends on the term and money.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:30 AM


Anaheim still is going to have to expose one of the 2 guys left they don't want to lose. Let's say they make a trade with Vegas and Vegas agrees not to take...still have 1 exposed. So does it not come down to would they make that same trade in a non-expansion year?

 

The trade would be more specific than that.  Anaheim would require Vegas to take a specific player in the trade.  I'll throw together a completely BS example using Sabre players since I'm most familiar with them.  Imagine you have Larsson and Girgensons available and don't want to lose either.  You do not give them Guhle in exchange for not selecting Larsson.  You give them Guhle in exchange for them selecting Marcus Foligno.

 

Again, don't read into any of those names, I completely pulled them out of my ass.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:58 AM

Please God no...on both Shattenkirk and Alzner. I have never understood the love for Shattenkirk. Now, that is based more on seeing him in playoffs more than the regular season, and assuming he gets 6yr x $7m...not interested.

 

Alzner I like a bit more, but again depends on the term and money.

 

40+ point player with 40+ PIM for 4 consecutive seasons; easy to see why he's coveted.

 

He's also become a plus player since being traded to Washington.

 

Moreover, he's a guy that can both knock an offensive player off the puck and move the puck up ice in transition.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 11:42 AM

What is the record for longest team without a head coach?



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 11:45 AM

 

40+ point player with 40+ PIM for 4 consecutive seasons; easy to see why he's coveted.

 

He's also become a plus player since being traded to Washington.

 

Moreover, he's a guy that can both knock an offensive player off the puck and move the puck up ice in transition.

I don't think the Sabres have any interest in Shattenkirk because of the money and length of contract. It would tighten our cap situation and limit our options in the not too distant future. I'm not arguing that he isn't a top tier player because he is. But smartly piecing together the cap puzzle is as important as acquiring talent. 

 

I do believe that the Sabres can come up with a good player for Kane. The return for him won't be of equal value because his contract will run out in a year but by adding a good player or two it bolsters the unit.. If you add in the Russian who is either a second or third pairing type player and you also factor in Guhle then the unit is being reconfigured in a good way. 



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:19 PM

I don't think the Sabres have any interest in Shattenkirk because of the money and length of contract. It would tighten our cap situation and limit our options in the not too distant future. I'm not arguing that he isn't a top tier player because he is. But smartly piecing together the cap puzzle is as important as acquiring talent. 

 

I do believe that the Sabres can come up with a good player for Kane. The return for him won't be of equal value because his contract will run out in a year but by adding a good player or two it bolsters the unit.. If you add in the Russian who is either a second or third pairing type player and you also factor in Guhle then the unit is being reconfigured in a good way. 

 

Cap issues become less relevant if you can clear Bogosian, Gorges, Moulson, and Ennis.

 

That said, the need for a veteran D-man is more than palpable.  I'm not opposed to getting it done by moving Kane, but I would want to feel good about a guy like Fasching or Bailey being able to step into a physical role in the top-6.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 02:19 PM



 

Cap issues become less relevant if you can clear Bogosian, Gorges, Moulson, and Ennis.

 

That said, the need for a veteran D-man is more than palpable.  I'm not opposed to getting it done by moving Kane, but I would want to feel good about a guy like Fasching or Bailey being able to step into a physical role in the top-6.

I like both Fasching and Bailey. However, I don't consider them top two line players because they are not adequate finishers. The one young player I will be closely watching with is Baptiste. He is a terrific scorer and has demonstrated that he can score in the minors. Whether he can do it with the big club is the issue. 

 

Cap issues become less relevant if you can clear Bogosian, Gorges, Moulson, and Ennis.

 

How does one clear the above mentioned players? Gorges I believe has one more year on his deal? Although Bogosian is demonstrably over-paid if he can modify his gorilla game and become more of a finesse puck mover he can be useful as a third pairing defenseman. Moulson is an adequate finisher who can't skate. In hindsight that was a bad deal. With respect to Ennis he needs a fresh start somewhere else to reinvigorate his game. 



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:39 PM

I think they almost have to make a run at Shattenkirk in FA.
 
Just think how different the top-5 D could look next season if it includes Risto, Shatty, McCabe, Antipin, and Guhle.
 
As I've said though, Shattenkirk will be the prize of all FA prizes, so I'd probably be prepared to settle for Karl Alzner as a consolation.  More of a 2nd/3rd pair guy, but solid.

Someone is going to seriously regret signing KS to a big deal. The playoffs were an excellent indication of exactly what kind of player he is. By the end of the Pittsburgh series, he was barely a third pair defender.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 09:30 AM

Someone is going to seriously regret signing KS to a big deal. The playoffs were an excellent indication of exactly what kind of player he is. By the end of the Pittsburgh series, he was barely a third pair defender.

He was brutal in the playoffs, a liability on the ice more times than not.  Maybe he was playing hurt, it is the playoffs.  But that's a big leap to justify signing him to a big contract after that performance...


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 09:42 AM

 

I think they almost have to make a run at Shattenkirk in FA.

 

Just think how different the top-5 D could look next season if it includes Risto, Shatty, McCabe, Antipin, and Guhle.

 

As I've said though, Shattenkirk will be the prize of all FA prizes, so I'd probably be prepared to settle for Karl Alzner as a consolation.  More of a 2nd/3rd pair guy, but solid.

 

 

Please God no...on both Shattenkirk and Alzner. I have never understood the love for Shattenkirk. Now, that is based more on seeing him in playoffs more than the regular season, and assuming he gets 6yr x $7m...not interested.

 

Alzner I like a bit more, but again depends on the term and money.

 

 

Someone is going to seriously regret signing KS to a big deal. The playoffs were an excellent indication of exactly what kind of player he is. By the end of the Pittsburgh series, he was barely a third pair defender.

 

Best name in hockey though.  Sounds like something George Takei wishes he did back in the day.



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

 

 

Best name in hockey though.  Sounds like something George Takei wishes he did back in the day.

 

 

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:13 AM

With the SCF now complete, please lock this thread.