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#1 Poeticlaw

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:02 PM

Think about this for a second.... Bledsoe goes down in injury after his second game of the season to lose his starting job to a second year QB drafted in the 6th round that has won 3 superbowls with a team that was said to need a lot of work when Bledsoe was leading them.  Here it is 3 years later and Bledsoe again loses his starting job to  second year QB JP Losman but with a team that is said to have a pathetic offense.
Personally I have been a Bills fan since 1989. I have watched and rewatched the glory years that only had one thing missing a Superbowl championship.
Looking at these tapes once again has reinforced what I already believed. We are not far From another superbowl run. Why?
Mcgahee=Thomas
Moulds=Reed
Evans=Beebe
The defens= The defense
The special Teams = The special Teams
Essentially the only things we need is a TE, And a strong Keith Mckellar type of Back up at RB. I think Losman is the right Choice many might agree and Many might disagree but let me point out Bledsoes flaws that many already knew... Bledsoe cannot do the dumpoff passes, Bledsoe cannot due the backfield screens, Bledsoe cannot elude a sack, Bledsoe only beeat the champions 1 in 6 tries and cannot be counted on in a big game, oh and hes a lock on passer Mould moulds moulds. What Losman brings us believe it or not is a multi dimensional offense. He has the abilty to run boot legs, Qb draws, dump off passes, and screen passes. This type of offense is getting me excited, because it keeps the defense on their heals. Plus I believe that Losman like Brady will be succesful because they are not Lockon QBS throw the ball to the open guy even if hes two feet infront of you, Ive seen Brady do that too many times for 20 plus yards. Plus if nothings open theirs always Losmans feet. Lets get a Back up QB a Good TE and a Third reciever and I think we go too the playoffs easily this year. Maybe I am overly optimistic but I havent been this excited since #7 Flutie took over the offense. Now its #7 Losman.

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:06 PM

Interesting analogy.


Though there is a little section of the offense called the offensive line that seemed to have slipped by your radar. Other than Mike W vs. Ballard at RT, and Chris V vs. John Davis@co. there are none on this line who compare to those days.

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:09 PM

I couldnt compare the offensive line to the glory years for one we have no KENT HULL at center end of that story.

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:12 PM

Poeticlaw, on Feb 21 2005, 09:09 PM, said:

I couldnt compare the offensive line to the glory years for one we have no KENT HULL at center end of that story.

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Exactly. Not to mention Wolford and Ritcher.... I wasn't sure if you somehow happened by without thinking of the O-line...

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:21 PM

34-78-83, on Feb 21 2005, 09:12 PM, said:

Exactly. Not to mention Wolford and Ritcher.... I wasn't sure if you somehow happened by without thinking of the O-line...

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Well if we take the good with the bad... Our offensive line is definately a HUGE drop off from the glory years. However, in my estimate I believe with the exception of NO Bruce Smith type of DE our defense is a level or two better than our defense of the superbowl years and MCgee's returning skills is alot like Taskers.

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:32 PM

With Losman, the Bills will NEED an O-line resembling the early 90's ones.  Oh and Evans is Lofton in his prime in Buffalo (1990-1991), not Beebe.  Beebe was a flyer who was inconsistent.  Although he was still a better 3rd WR than what the Bills currently have.

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 02:31 AM

If you want to carry the Bledso/Brady analogy even you can see why TD offered Bledsoe an option to stick with this team IF he accepted the role of back-up to Losman if he lost a fair fight with JP for the job.

The key to understanding the Bledsoe role in 2001 was:

1. He reacted to losing his job to a second year QB by helping that youngster understand NFL offenses and play as much like a vet as he could and Brady himself and ther members of the Pats confirm this was the role he played.

2. He stepped into a must win championship game and though folks correctly note he did not run an offense designed for Brady well, he ran it well enough to throw the winning TD and to do all that one can reasonably hope for a back-up o do which is win the game (we as fan irrationally hope for more and sometimes have gotten it as Reich was the QB in the greatest game ever played exactly because he did the irrational).

3. Bledsoe was a team player rather than a cancer and stepped back to sit on the bench rather than cry like he is today that he would never be a back-up (hey bud, you have an SB ring because you were a back-up QB and did it well) and he gracefully accepted a trade to the Bills.

I think TD really hoped he would accept the reality that his is on the downhill part of his career and try to produce the same results with the second year QB Losman that he produced with the second year QB Brady.  This move would not only have helped the Bills on the field if Bledsoe produced the same results in 2005 by choice he produced by force of Mo Lewis in 2001, but a retructured deal would have helped us alot in terms of our cap needs.

I'm just sorry Bledsoe proved to be a weenie and will make a run I think is doomed to fail in Dallas and was not more of a teamer and a man and proved tough enough to recognize reality and remain a Bill and fight it out with JP to start and helped JP be the best Bill he could be when/if he lost the competition (I say of because though I believe JP is the real deal, it appears 50/50 st best that even a first round choice will prove good enough to win the SB and if recent experience is he guide it is forboding that the last team to pick a QB in the first to have that choice guide them to an SB was Dallas picking Ailman way back in 1989).

I hope your analogy doesn't apply in 2005 because just as the accelerated cap hit from cutting Bledsoe in 2002 played a significant role in NE completely failed to even make the playoffs that season (a bad year bookended by two SB championships for NE), I do fear that the $4.3 million in deadspace for the Bledsoe cost plus what it will take to buy a credible #2 QB in this market (or maybe two since the word from Matthews was this was his last season and even if the Bills convince him to stick he is not a credible #2 due to his record of play for the Bears et al, prior to this and a sentiment of Marv's I agree with that once a player starts talking retirement in effect he is already gone), the analogy may prove to be the case that a cut of Bledsoe kills two teams because of the stupid "lifetime" contract Kraft signed him to and the dumb extension TD signed Bledsoe to after his disastrous 2003 season.

I give MM/Clements alot of credit because in 2004 they really improved Bledsoe's onfield production, but the improvement from horrendous to simply inadequate was not good enough for him to start for us in 2005. I'm just bummed he didn't not stast for us by accepting a role as a probable #2 for JP which would have allowed him to reenact what he already did in real life in 2001 )I think if JP had played as well as we think he will and Bledsoe was his number 2 he may have locked up a spot for him in the HOF as well as given him a slot anywhere as a QB coach or even an O co-ordinator if he chose to stay in football because he does not need the money.

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 07:52 AM

I hate to nitpick...Ok that's a lie, I like to nitpick.  
Lee Evans > Don Beebe by a mile.  Would anyone even remember Beebe if not for the Leon Lett play?  Does ANYBODY remember him dropping 2 TD's vs. the Redskins in the SB?  
Current defense > SB defense.
Moulds is no Reed, and McGahee is no Thurman, and the OL obviously isn't close.
Also, current AFC > early 90's AFC.  
You were excited when Flutie took over?   :P

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 10:52 AM

BuffOrange, on Feb 22 2005, 08:52 AM, said:

I hate to nitpick...Ok that's a lie, I like to nitpick. 
Lee Evans > Don Beebe by a mile.  Would anyone even remember Beebe if not for the Leon Lett play?  Does ANYBODY remember him dropping 2 TD's vs. the Redskins in the SB?
Not to mention against the Cowboys in the 1st SB. :fyou:  

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Current defense > SB defense.
Moulds is no Reed, and McGahee is no Thurman, and the OL obviously isn't close.
Moulds wasn't as consistent as Reed, but when Moulds is on his game, he's a better WR.  I'd say it's a wash.  And McGahee isn't Thurman...yet.  Give him Thurman's O-line and WATCHOUT!

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Also, current AFC > early 90's AFC. 
You were excited when Flutie took over?   :P
I disagree  The NFL as a whole is a lot weaker than prior to FA and expansion.  It's just the effect of parity making more teams appear tougher.

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Posted 22 February 2005 - 02:14 PM

[quote name='Fake-Fat Sunny' date='Feb 22 2005, 02:31 AM']
If you want to carry the Bledso/Brady analogy even you can see why TD offered Bledsoe an option to stick with this team IF he accepted the role of back-up to Losman if he lost a fair fight with JP for the job.

That was a great analogy well thought out. The only thing I would have been concerned with Bledsoe being the backup is the Flutie/Johnson era Where one QB is noted to be talented as the other was noted as experienced and it really devided the locker room. Teams win championships when teams have team chemistry a divison of the locker room would be cancer and  a cancer ridden team never wins. I think overall this is the best case scenario. Bring in a vaible QB who knows the role is 2nd at best and is happy with that. Not a BJ hobert(or whatever the losers name was) who didnt even think they would play and not study the playbook.  We have a team - this team is considered one 0f 5 teams that could unseat the Current Superbowl Champions as the next Champions. Personally I would like Feidler as a backup he appears to have character as well as mobility and is also known for giving the pats a hard time when they play each other.

On one final note: Bledsoes real demise outside of being inadequate was that he was only 1-5 against the Champions in regular season and very dismal in all but the one win. Rember the 2nd pats loss was the main  break in wins before the melt down against pitt. Beat the pats and we would have been in the playoffs.