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#21 Catch it Sammy

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

I would start to have concerns about him if he did. TT will be snatched up quickly in FA if we are silly enough to let that happen. Looking at the decision making process of the Bills organization makes Buffalo a hard sell for players. The Lorax says that his decision on whether to stay in Buffalo or not will be influenced on whether TT comes back.



#22 Kirby Jackson

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:53 AM

He isn't taking less money to stay. The Bills and Tyrod both know that he can get $30M plus guaranteed on the open market. This isn't a situation where the Bills have been so good to him that he owes them one. They signed him for dirt cheap, put him on a prove-it deal in 2016 and the market says that he is absolutely a $15M + AAV QB. If the Bills choose to restructure, that may be an option but a pay cut isn't.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:54 AM

Lot of TT talk on Sirius NFL today - Ross Tucker said that if TT hits FA he'll be the best option out there this year and that he's far better than any QB coming out of college (said they all need a year on the bench).  His co-host (not quite sure who that was today) completely agreed...

 

Interesting that he's such a great option to everyone.  But the Bills fans like Gugny.



#24 Catch it Sammy

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:54 AM

Bye-rod!

 

Remember when Doug Marrone thought he was a hot commodity?  Good luck, backup.

 

Marrone hurt himself the way he left the Bills. I think that was a big reason why teams began to look at him as a quitter. The TT case at hand is completely different. 



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:56 AM

I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. 

 

It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. 



#26 ScottLaw

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:58 AM

I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. 
 
It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. 

Fair, but the front office(Whaley) didn't do him any favors with the receiving options available to him.

And what other better options are you foreclosing? You lost me there. You can keep Tyrod and draft one.... no FA QB is a better option.

I think it is simple. Keep him until you have someone better.

Edited by ScottLaw, 10 February 2017 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:59 AM

So Bills fans and Bills analysts hate Tyrod, everyone else in the league thinks he's the best QB option if he becomes available. 

 

Sounds about right. 


Edited by Dorkington, 10 February 2017 - 10:02 AM.


#28 Kirby Jackson

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:00 AM

I would start to have concerns about him if he did. TT will be snatched up quickly in FA if we are silly enough to let that happen. Looking at the decision making process of the Bills organization makes Buffalo a hard sell for players. The Lorax says that his decision on whether to stay in Buffalo or not will be influenced on whether TT comes back.

It will absolutely be a black eye on the Bills. Outsiders (agents, players, etc...) are going to look at the situation and say that the Bills did not treat him well. I don't think that is even debatable. The contract that he was offered is certainly on the low end of the market for his production. Even still, they pulled the plug on him. Whether or not moving on is the right decision, that will be the perception. In general, the Bills have had a pretty good reputation for how they treat players recently but that is starting to change.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:02 AM

I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. 

 

It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. 

 

 

Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs.

 

You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:07 AM

 

 

Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs.

 

You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team.

 

Why can't you pick up a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years?



#31 judman

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:10 AM

Not having Sammy last year made it tough for this guy.  I say keep him.  He is not making top tier money.  Get some guys to throw it to.  The Bills had to pull in Percy freaking Harvin last year for crying out loud.  Get some receivers and keep the guy who is being talked up as "the best FA to hit the market if the Bills cut him."



#32 Kirby Jackson

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:12 AM

I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. 

 

It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. 

That's the big questions John and a good one. My guess is that you are certainly married to him for AT LEAST 2 years. You are probably out on a QB (at least early this year), next year would be dependent on his play. If they are going to cut ties after 2018 then I could see a guy in the 2018 draft.


 

 

Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs.

 

You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team.

I think just 2017. The Bills can walk away from Tyrod after 2018. If they like a guy in 2018 they can certainly pull the trigger.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:13 AM

Two more years of Tyrod doesn't sound inspiring to me. No, I don't "hate" him. I want better QB play for this team.

Edited by YoloinOhio, 10 February 2017 - 10:13 AM.


#34 ScottLaw

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:15 AM

 
 
Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs.
 
You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team.


How do you figure?

They pick up the option TT is probably here for two more years then which point his deal gets real team friendly. They can draft one this year and let him sit for two years. Why is that an issue?

Two more years of Tyrod doesn't sound inspiring to me. No, I don't "hate" him. I want better QB play for this team.


Good luck getting better QB play then Tyrod within that two year span. Not realistic.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:17 AM

So Bills fans and Bills analysts hate Tyrod, everyone else in the league thinks he's the best QB option if he becomes available. 

 

Sounds about right. 

 

Fully.

 

The funny part about the Sirius argument, is that they agree with Bills fans, saying that Tyrod is likely a bridge QB for the next 2 - 3 years while you get a rook ready.  But they added that he's going to get at least what the Bills are offering on the open market and that his salary is the going rate for a middle-of-pack QB with potential (or at least that hasn't completely flamed out).

 

Will definitely be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks... :beer:



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:18 AM

Btw I think Carucci had the report and PFT picked it up
http://buffalonews.c...time=1486679573

 

 

http://profootballta...tay-with-bills/



#37 klos63

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:19 AM

You might be right but when will teams learn to stop stretching on unproven or average at best players? 

When you have better options on your roster, which most teams don't.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:25 AM

Anyone that thinks the Bills are picking up the option on TT AND drafting a QB in the first round is deluding themselves.

 

If the Bills pick up TT the Bills will be "making a playoff push" which means no high picks on QB.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:26 AM

Such an in-demand QB will surely net the Bills some nice draft picks. Taylors agent doing a nice job of stirring things up. Time for Whaley to leak that Taylor is available for trade. Bidding starts at a 1st and a 4th.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:28 AM

The Jets are not interested in Jay Cutler (as had been rumored), but have their eyes on Tyrod Taylor and/or Mike Glennon:

 

 

http://thejetpress.c...s-tyrod-taylor/