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Is George Whitfield really a "QB Whipererer"?


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#1 #34fan

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 08:03 PM

Is this guy legit??? Sure, he's worked with some big names, (Luck, RG3, Manziell) but the results have been questionable... According to Cardale Jones, Whitfield taught him improper footwork. Then there's questions about his resume...

 

http://www.foxsports...oach-afl-060414

 

Would you recommend his services to Trubisky, Watson, or any of the QB's coming out this year?



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 08:23 PM

they should just watch cut ups and get something like this for the backyard http://www.eastbay.c...-mens/&SID=7726



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:20 PM

Did Whitfield teach him improper footwork or did Lee?

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:23 PM

Or his crap QB coach his last year at OSU? So many crap coaches, so little time.

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:33 PM

Did Whitfield teach him improper footwork or did Lee?

 

He said it was Whitfield.. Then he got to camp, and Lee told him it was wrong... I can't tell which QB Guru/fraud is worse...

 

http://www.espn.com/...-bills-practice



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:35 PM

Every coach has their own way of doing things. Lots of opportunities to learn the wrong things when you change coaching staffs every 2 years

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 12:06 AM

A "whiperer"? What the man does behind closed doors is no business of mine.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:32 AM

 

He said it was Whitfield.. Then he got to camp, and Lee told him it was wrong... I can't tell which QB Guru/fraud is worse...

 

http://www.espn.com/...-bills-practice

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 08:29 AM

I apply the same rule to him as I do to Kiper and McShay....If they were really "gurus" some NFL team would be paying them A LOT more money than ESPN.



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 10:06 AM

He worked wonders with EJM. 



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:55 PM

 

He said it was Whitfield.. Then he got to camp, and Lee told him it was wrong... I can't tell which QB Guru/fraud is worse...

 

http://www.espn.com/...-bills-practice

Ha ha ha Lee saying something wrong.  Yeah OK who have you developed Lee



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:07 PM

Cardale is currently working with Jeff Christensen of
http://www.throwitdeep.com/

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:28 PM

Cardale is currently working with Jeff Christensen of
http://www.throwitdeep.com/

Cousins, Tannehill, Brock osweiler, Chandler Harnish and Matt Blanchard are the qbs listed in the bio. Ouch

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:52 PM

Cousins, Tannehill, Brock osweiler, Chandler Harnish and Matt Blanchard are the qbs listed in the bio. Ouch

on the other side of that, he has quite a few QBs paying him to get themselves better.

 Is  a QB Coach we know of who just kills it with success?
i bet there is not. Also, because the QBs do not become amazing does not quiet equate to the Coaches suck now does it ( not a shot at you breh )



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:58 PM

on the other side of that, he has quite a few QBs paying him to get themselves better.
 Is  a QB Coach we know of who just kills it with success?
i bet there is not. Also, because the QBs do not become amazing does not quiet equate to the Coaches suck now does it ( not a shot at you breh )

I agree with this.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 10:50 PM

I don't know how much I really believe in this "QB Guru" stuff. There's part of me that believes a QB either has it or doesn't. It's one thing when these guys are in high school, but it's another when they are already pros.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 03:55 AM

I apply the same rule to him as I do to Kiper and McShay....If they were really "gurus" some NFL team would be paying them A LOT more money than ESPN.

 

Maybe some team would if they would be willing to work as hard as coaches who often put in ungodly hours.  It is why many of the talking heads who used to be coaches no longer are and settle for just being a broadcaster now.



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Posted 18 February 2017 - 06:42 AM

Maybe some team would if they would be willing to work as hard as coaches who often put in ungodly hours.  It is why many of the talking heads who used to be coaches no longer are and settle for just being a broadcaster now.


"You want me to just sit around for a few hours talking football with other guys and you'll pay me what?"

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 11:06 AM

I don't know how much I really believe in this "QB Guru" stuff. There's part of me that believes a QB either has it or doesn't. It's one thing when these guys are in high school, but it's another when they are already pros.

Yup. We see that with pitching coaches in baseball. Remember when Leo Mazzone was responsible for those great Braves rotations? Then he went to the Orioles and somehow wasn't able to turn guys named Adam Loewen and Daniel Cabrera into the next Smoltz and Glavine. And then Mike Maddux was the flavor of the month with the Rangers, despite not having had the best record as a pitching coach before that with the Brewers. QB coaches seem to have an impact in working with coordinators to help a young QB with natural ability to internalize an offensive scheme/quickly move through his progressions, but I have yet to see anyone have a significant/repeated impact on teaching things like footwork/release point and all that technical stuff people obsess over. In fact, a lot of really good QBs succeed despite having objectively suboptimal mechanics - Stafford, Rivers, etc.



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 02:29 PM

I don't know how much I really believe in this "QB Guru" stuff. There's part of me that believes a QB either has it or doesn't. It's one thing when these guys are in high school, but it's another when they are already pros.

 

That's kind of like saying post-college track athletes either have it or don't - and don't need coaches anymore.  

 

Lots of coaches - Bill Walsh, for example - are/were really big on coaching technique at the pro level.  No college athlete is a perfectly polished gem when they enter the NFL.  

 

I do think, though, there's a certain amount of innate accuracy that can't be changed.  Some of accuracy is purely genetic.  But completion rates go up when QBs improve their footwork, throwing mechanics, ability to read defenses, progressions, pocket presence, etc.  This is where QB gurus can help.