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#21 PolishDave

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:26 PM

no. Ragland only good at slb. It he is playing mlb than this system will be a lot different than he ran in Carolina.
Having Gilmore back anything is possoble
I guess the other thread we are in isn't enough. Jeesh, right?

Brown is who I trade

 

Trade Ragland is a more shocking headline than roster change.  :D

 

Some guys don't read existing top threads on the forum before posting their own I guess.

 

No biggie though.  We can handle a couple linebacker threads.   There are like a million or so Tyrod threads - of which about 8 are still active.


Brown is who I trade
don't trade a rookie. Ever.

Trade brown. Get a backup safety after the draft. Or a draft pick before

 

I think most people agree with this.    Silly to trade Ragland considering what you have up to get him and considering you invested a year in him on the bench already.

 

We know what we have with Preston Brown and we know what his upside likely is.    We also know what Preston Brown's weaknesses are.  We have an idea that Ragland will probably be pretty good and we don't know how high is potential is yet.   Therefore, at this point Ragland is more of a keeper than Preston Brown.    Unless the coaches know that Ragland is now broken because of that injury and it just isn't common knowledge yet.



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:27 PM

no. Ragland only good at slb. It he is playing mlb than this system will be a lot different than he ran in Carolina.
Having Gilmore back anything is possoble
I guess the other thread we are in isn't enough. Jeesh, right?

Brown is who I trade
don't trade a rookie. Ever.

Trade brown. Get a backup safety after the draft. Or a draft pick before

 

I think he can probably play Mike, but i'd agree he's better suited to the SAM.  He has some edge rushing ability, and would fit nicely next to Shaq lawson.

 

But part of me thinks Ragland making checks and calls would be better than brown, as he was a starting Mike on the best defense in college.  So part of me would rather sacrifice some speed/pass rush ability for stronger communication.  Ragland also attacks his gaps well and thumps people.  

 

New coach/new slate though - so i trust them to find a good spot for him.



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:27 PM

I would wait untilnpreaeason and showcase Ragland if we must to trade him. He could be worth a starter if someone goes down for injury

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:27 PM

guy is projected to be a stud mike. why would you trade that away at this point



#25 MAJBobby

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:35 PM

WLB - Brown (if Re-signed)

MLB - Ragland - comes of the field in Nickel

SLB - Preston Brown (not ideal but wont hurt until can find a replacement.)



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:39 PM

WLB - Brown (if Re-signed)

MLB - Ragland - comes of the field in Nickel

SLB - Preston Brown (not ideal but wont hurt until can find a replacement.)

 

Pretty much - would not trade a starting Mike we just drafted for safety help.  Doesn't make sense to me.



#27 ChanOverChin

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:48 PM

Yeah, this is just plain stupid.

 

Let's at least give Ragland a chance to show what he can do before sending him packing.



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

Keep him! He is going to be very good! Why can't he "fit" here?

#29 MAJBobby

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:57 PM

Keep him! He is going to be very good! Why can't he "fit" here?

I don't think he has the speed to play all 3 downs in this defense.  However I don't need him to specially if Brown is re-signed.  Ragland will come off the field in obvious passing downs



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Posted 13 February 2017 - 02:37 PM

My hope is Reggie will be the heart and soul of this defense. He's always been staple player wherever he went.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 02:42 PM

He looked fast and good in coverage in camp last year, before he got hurt.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 02:56 PM

no. Ragland only good at slb. It he is playing mlb than this system will be a lot different than he ran in Carolina.


I think Ragland was originally a ILB on a 3-4 Alabama team. I was looking at what Chris Trapasso had up at Buffalo Rumblings about personnel fit. It looks like MLB and SLB kind of shift based on whether they are doing 4-3 over or under.

He's definitely not a WLB (why they are going after Zach allegedly) but I can see him as a kind of a S/MLB hybridge on those packages.

He looked fast and good in coverage in camp last year, before he got hurt.


Yeah, I never understood that knock on him. I can kind of see him in a Luke K. role.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 02:59 PM

I think Ragland was originally a ILB on a 3-4 Alabama team. I was looking at what Chris Trapasso had up at Buffalo Rumblings about personnel fit. It looks like MLB and SLB kind of shift based on whether they are doing 4-3 over or under.

He's definitely not a WLB (why they are going after Zach allegedly) but I can see him as a kind of a S/MLB hybridge on those packages.

Yeah, I never understood that knock on him. I can kind of see him in a Luke K. role.

in that hybrid mob position Lorenzo Alexander is ideal.

He looked fast and good in coverage in camp last year, before he got hurt.

its probably a bit of tired statement because I've heard it so many times but until you see keuchly in person you just have no idea how dynamic he is. He is everywhere he needs to be every time. His instincts to the pass are best matched to Byrd during his top year here in buffalo and like takeo spikes on the run. He amazed me when I saw him in person

#34 MAJBobby

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:06 PM

I think Ragland was originally a ILB on a 3-4 Alabama team. I was looking at what Chris Trapasso had up at Buffalo Rumblings about personnel fit. It looks like MLB and SLB kind of shift based on whether they are doing 4-3 over or under.

He's definitely not a WLB (why they are going after Zach allegedly) but I can see him as a kind of a S/MLB hybridge on those packages.

Yeah, I never understood that knock on him. I can kind of see him in a Luke K. role.

I cannot he is no were the athlete Luke K is.  He has stiff hips and when faced with speed will be taken off the field.  Look at the National Championship.  And that was before the Knee injury


Edited by MAJBobby, 13 February 2017 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:07 PM

Ragland is coming off a major injury. No one is going to give anything of worth in a trade.

We disagree!

 

sincerely,

Shady and Kiko



#36 MAJBobby

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:32 PM

We disagree!

 

sincerely,

Shady and Kiko

And Shady and Kiko have actually don't things IN the NFL before said trade.  What has Ragland Done. (cant even get out of camp)



#37 CardinalScotts

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:35 PM

Trading Preston is a better idea.

yes for anything



#38 Helpmenow

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 03:56 PM

Any reason the Bills couldn't trade Ragland who - many say - is not a great fit in McDermott's defense - for a more mobile LB, or a safety. Should be a good player in the right system, and cheap as well under the rookie contract.


You haven't seen the guy play and now you want to deal him.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 04:10 PM

You haven't seen the guy play and now you want to deal him.


Pft...Ragland is a bust, man! How much more do you need to see? The guy got injured in training camp fer fuxx sake.

Fire Whaley.

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Posted 13 February 2017 - 04:36 PM

I cannot he is no were the athlete Luke K is.  He has stiff hips and when faced with speed will be taken off the field.  Look at the National Championship.  And that was before the Knee injury

 

I don't think he's good enough in coverage to hang with a lot of the elite TE's in the league, but I think he has some abilities as an edge rusher that might translate to the sam spot. 

 

He's a prototypical mike though, he attacks his gaps and hits hard.  Honestly it's not a bad problem to have a guy who might fit both.  I think his intangibles will translate to what the coaches want to see out of their mike.