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#21 MAJBobby

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:51 PM

Hoyer is not half the QB that TT is and will put us in a position  to win 3 or 4 games next year.

If that is your goal then get rid of Darius first and save the money and embarrassments he will put the team through again and again

Fine then because what I do know it TT is not good enough, so if a player is not good enough I am moving on from him not committing to him for 3 years



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:54 PM

The Baker in the 2nd round might be a little too optimistic. A bunch of early love coming for the safety position in this class.

Good work on putting that together but i don't like Kendall Wright at WR and Villanueva isn't leaving Pitt.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:03 PM

The Baker in the 2nd round might be a little too optimistic. A bunch of early love coming for the safety position in this class.

Good work on putting that together but i don't like Kendall Wright at WR and Villanueva isn't leaving Pitt.

Yeah I am not sure I have to update it for some reason SPOTRAC has him as our ERFA.

 

Well right now where I have seem him graded is mid Second that is why I went there.  might go higher but this is a loaded S class and because of that teams may not start a run on the position right away.

 

I get the Wright issue, and I may relook that once we get closer to UFA time, it is noted and will relook once guys start getting tagged and such.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:10 PM

I think this is the best way to do this I will continually edit the main post with changes as I get really into the draft and as the Bills sign players and players fall off because they have been signed.

 

UPDATED: 15 Feb 2017

 

To start off I used SPOTRAC particular to look up comparable contracts of the players I am looking to sign as well as to get money of the roster moves I make. 

 

Bills are starting with 44 under contract and Cap space of 26M.

 

  1. Do not pick up Tyrod Taylors Option. Cap Savings 12.1M
  2. Redo or Cut and Re-sign Kyle Williams contract.  I am looking at a MIN to save 4M here, but I went with the Cut option so I am saving 6.8M in space
  3. Cut Corey Graham saving 3.7M
  4. Cut Carpenter saving 2.4M

With those Moves it puts the Bills with 40 under contract and cap space this year of 51M. 

 

RFAs and EFRAs that I tender (likely a total of 4M in space used up)

  1. Logan Thomas
  2. Ryan Groy
  3. Mike Gillislee
  4. Colton Schmidt
  5. Marcus Roberson
  6. Dez Lewis

Leaves 47 on Contract and roughly 47M in Cap Space

 

Sign

  1. Brain Hoyer, QB - 3 years 12M with a 4M AVV - Here is the vet to bring in to compete with your Rookie and Jones. 
  2. Kendall Wright, WR - 4 years 26M with a 6.5M AVV - Reason I went with Wright is I think he is the type of WR this offense would need opposite Sammy, yes he is not the Size guy, however he has great hands, runs very precise and good routes and if very good with the ball in his hand after the catch.  Just fits this offense a bit, and I decided to spend a little more money in the WR spot to get that long term No 2 WR.
  3. A.J. Klien, LBer, 5 years 21.5M with a 4.3AVV - this contract I must say might be high, but it was hard to really figure out his market value but think this will be close.  This makes all the sense in the world to bring a guy in that knows the system of defense and can help ease the transition into it.  New coaches do this all the time, there will be a couple more as my signings go on.
  4. Keyvon Webster, CB - 4 years 8M with a 2M AVV - good Zone Corner coming from a good defense in Denver.
  5. Mike Remmers, RT - 5 years 24M with a 4.8M AVV - Solid in pass pro and will upgrade that, not nearly as good in RB as Mills was, however not the tire fire Mills was in Pass Protection.  This will upgrade the RT  position greatly at not that big of a cost.
  6. Colin Jones, CB - 2 years 3M with a 1.5M AVV - Depth Zone CB coming from CAR so again knows the system and plays well inside it. 
  7. John Cryprien, S - 4 years 22M with a 5.5M AVV - when people talk safeties in this class they often overlook him because of the Big Names.  However he is a very good safety and will upgrade that position immediately, need a good player back there with the ? of Williams.  Cannot rely on rookies at both S spots if something happens to Aaron.

After those Signings puts 54 on contract and still have roughly 18.4M in cap space if I use the AVV.  Which will allow re-signs of key players like Sammy etc before they hit their last year of their deal.

 

Draft (only able to do three rounds at this point)

1st - Deshaun Watson, QB Clemson - He is one of 3 QBs that I think you can build around in the class.  I also think he will be there at 10.  Other QBs I am interested in are Trubinsky and Mahomes.  I am going with Watson in this scenario though.

 

2nd - Budda Baker, S Washington - An elite playmaker, he is always around the ball can impact both in the passing game and run game.  Love his explosiveness and instincts.  Little on the smallish side for a safety but he is a "Football Player" and this team needs football players.

 

3rd - Alex Anzalone - OLB Florida - Great Combination of Size and Speed, great in coverage and fluid hips will be fine at the SLB matched up on TEs.  I think he will turn out to be a stud in this system, another football player. Gives max effort and versatility as he played both inside and outside in Florida.

You want to swap TT for Brian Hoyer??? For the sake of 8 million bucks?

Seriously, that sounds like an utter drag. 

Are you sure we couldn't coax Kyle Orton out of retirement?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:11 PM

 

 

Just a little perspective for some of you cap-panicked folks:

 

The Bills are currently scheduled to have about 70M in cap room going into the 2018 offseason..........and that's counting Tyrod Taylor, among others,  as IN that figure.

 

They have plenty of money to extend Sammy Watkins going forward.......there isn't really a big need for a cap haircut this offseason they can cut Graham, Carpenter, Patrick Lewis and Eric Wood and save $10M and it would be of little future consequence to get another $5M each in restructures of Cordy Glenn and Marcel Dareus.

 

Bang......there is $50M to work with regarding Taylor, Gilmore, other free agents and draft picks without kicking enough down the road to make much difference.

 

The cap issue is very temporary.

How dare you?!?!?!?..... You know what????.........No, the cap issues are how Whaley has destroyed this team. Fire Whaley!!!  :rolleyes:  :lol:



#26 John from Hemet

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:26 PM

I think this is the best way to do this I will continually edit the main post with changes as I get really into the draft and as the Bills sign players and players fall off because they have been signed.

 

UPDATED: 15 Feb 2017

 

To start off I used SPOTRAC particular to look up comparable contracts of the players I am looking to sign as well as to get money of the roster moves I make. 

 

Bills are starting with 44 under contract and Cap space of 26M.

 

  1. Do not pick up Tyrod Taylors Option. Cap Savings 12.1M
  2. Redo or Cut and Re-sign Kyle Williams contract.  I am looking at a MIN to save 4M here, but I went with the Cut option so I am saving 6.8M in space
  3. Cut Corey Graham saving 3.7M
  4. Cut Carpenter saving 2.4M

With those Moves it puts the Bills with 40 under contract and cap space this year of 51M. 

 

RFAs and EFRAs that I tender (likely a total of 4M in space used up)

  1. Logan Thomas
  2. Ryan Groy
  3. Mike Gillislee
  4. Colton Schmidt
  5. Marcus Roberson
  6. Dez Lewis

Leaves 47 on Contract and roughly 47M in Cap Space

 

Sign

  1. Brain Hoyer, QB - 3 years 12M with a 4M AVV - Here is the vet to bring in to compete with your Rookie and Jones. 
  2. Kendall Wright, WR - 4 years 26M with a 6.5M AVV - Reason I went with Wright is I think he is the type of WR this offense would need opposite Sammy, yes he is not the Size guy, however he has great hands, runs very precise and good routes and if very good with the ball in his hand after the catch.  Just fits this offense a bit, and I decided to spend a little more money in the WR spot to get that long term No 2 WR.
  3. A.J. Klien, LBer, 5 years 21.5M with a 4.3AVV - this contract I must say might be high, but it was hard to really figure out his market value but think this will be close.  This makes all the sense in the world to bring a guy in that knows the system of defense and can help ease the transition into it.  New coaches do this all the time, there will be a couple more as my signings go on.
  4. Keyvon Webster, CB - 4 years 8M with a 2M AVV - good Zone Corner coming from a good defense in Denver.
  5. Mike Remmers, RT - 5 years 24M with a 4.8M AVV - Solid in pass pro and will upgrade that, not nearly as good in RB as Mills was, however not the tire fire Mills was in Pass Protection.  This will upgrade the RT  position greatly at not that big of a cost.
  6. Colin Jones, CB - 2 years 3M with a 1.5M AVV - Depth Zone CB coming from CAR so again knows the system and plays well inside it. 
  7. John Cryprien, S - 4 years 22M with a 5.5M AVV - when people talk safeties in this class they often overlook him because of the Big Names.  However he is a very good safety and will upgrade that position immediately, need a good player back there with the ? of Williams.  Cannot rely on rookies at both S spots if something happens to Aaron.

After those Signings puts 54 on contract and still have roughly 18.4M in cap space if I use the AVV.  Which will allow re-signs of key players like Sammy etc before they hit their last year of their deal.

 

Draft (only able to do three rounds at this point)

1st - Deshaun Watson, QB Clemson - He is one of 3 QBs that I think you can build around in the class.  I also think he will be there at 10.  Other QBs I am interested in are Trubinsky and Mahomes.  I am going with Watson in this scenario though.

 

2nd - Budda Baker, S Washington - An elite playmaker, he is always around the ball can impact both in the passing game and run game.  Love his explosiveness and instincts.  Little on the smallish side for a safety but he is a "Football Player" and this team needs football players.

 

3rd - Alex Anzalone - OLB Florida - Great Combination of Size and Speed, great in coverage and fluid hips will be fine at the SLB matched up on TEs.  I think he will turn out to be a stud in this system, another football player. Gives max effort and versatility as he played both inside and outside in Florida.

i really appreciate this plan i really do emjoy when you post these

 

taking tt completely out of this (lets say for the scenario that mcd just decides he is mot a good scheme fit)

 

i like hoyer or foles as the bridge qb for a new offensive scheme

 

i really like the pass catchers in this draft and dont feel there is a day 1 starter qb....so i would rather have mahonnes in a trade down or 2nd round pick and corey davis in the 1st

 

i like how u matched zone corners to zone scheme


Edited by John from Hemet, 15 February 2017 - 04:27 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

How dare you?!?!?!?..... You know what????.........No, the cap issues are how Whaley has destroyed this team. Fire Whaley!!!  :rolleyes:  :lol:

 

I'm not a fan of Whaley but he's an average evaluator capable of putting playoff talent on the field if he can get lucky at QB........because he has a bad QB eye.

 

But the idea that the Bills salary cap situation is dire is nonsense.

 

The Bills have a lot of vets who will be coming off the books over the next few seasons and they need to develop some young talent while they have them.

 

This year......Ryan Groy has made Eric Wood expendable.......they need to keep developing viable cheap replacements while they have good vets in place.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:58 PM

You want to swap TT for Brian Hoyer??? For the sake of 8 million bucks?
Seriously, that sounds like an utter drag. 
Are you sure we couldn't coax Kyle Orton out of retirement?

Um no i want Watson winning the position.

i really appreciate this plan i really do emjoy when you post these
 
taking tt completely out of this (lets say for the scenario that mcd just decides he is mot a good scheme fit)
 
i like hoyer or foles as the bridge qb for a new offensive scheme
 
i really like the pass catchers in this draft and dont feel there is a day 1 starter qb....so i would rather have mahonnes in a trade down or 2nd round pick and corey davis in the 1st
 
i like how u matched zone corners to zone scheme

Appreciate it. Personally i want a experienced NFL WR to help Rookie QB. I went with Wright. Now if we advocate a step up likely in the 10M AVV range which i am ok with i would love Pryor on the Bills. And when it comes to my update very well maybe Pryor instead of Wright

Did what he did this year essentially by himself and alot worse QBs than Hoyer and Watson.

Edited by MAJBobby, 15 February 2017 - 04:59 PM.


#29 yungmack

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:27 PM

Please, Oh Lord, let the off season end. Amen.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:43 PM

Um no i want Watson winning the position.
Appreciate it. Personally i want a experienced NFL WR to help Rookie QB. I went with Wright. Now if we advocate a step up likely in the 10M AVV range which i am ok with i would love Pryor on the Bills. And when it comes to my update very well maybe Pryor instead of Wright

Did what he did this year essentially by himself and alot worse QBs than Hoyer and Watson.


Let Watson beat out Tyrod.

How's that?

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:52 PM

One thing to bear in mind with your cap space projections that I've just come across. Both Preston Brown and Seantrel Henderson are eligible for a Proven Performance Escalator. That figure is set at the low tariff for RFA tender, likely to be around $1.8m each. So there's roughly another $2m added onto the cap.

 

With his illness and suspension, expect to see Seantrel go bye-bye real fast.


Edited by Blokestradamus, 15 February 2017 - 05:52 PM.


#32 Rocky Landing

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:07 PM

Um no i want Watson winning the position.
 

Seems a little similar to the Rams strategy this last season with Keenum/Goff, except that TT > Keenum, and Watson < Goff.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:32 PM

Watson < Goff.

Are you serious?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:21 PM

Hoyer is not half the QB that TT is and will put us in a position  to win 3 or 4 games next year.


False.

Taylor lives in the hoyer/Fitz/Keenum/Simien are all in the meh tier.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:27 PM

solid plan i like the cyprien signing and wright although those two might be in for more money...cyprien north of 8 mil per but maybe wright goes for a short 1 year deal to see if he can get closer to 1000 yards again. cyprien and awil make our secondary real good. he's a tackling machine. 



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:29 PM

 

 

Thinking that filling key positions with middling talent is an answer for a team with a losing culture like the Bills is a common offseason "on paper" mistake.

 

Like "if we just get a little better play from our safeties we will win X more games".

 

Fans gain more courage in unsound decisions the further they get away from the actual season.

 

We are about at the point where Brian Hoyer is a solution to all the things Tyrod does wrong because Bills WR's are just always open because they are that good........then about another month from "Cardale is going to be more productive than Tyrod was"........then soon after Logan Thomas will be the next Jimmy Graham and Kolby Listenbee will be considered a #2 WR. :lol:  

"Don't worry about WR depth, just look at Hankerson's numbers with the Skins."



#37 dave mcbride

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:43 PM

No offense, Bobby, but this looks to me like a solution that leads to 3-13.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:55 PM

Fine then because what I do know it TT is not good enough, so if a player is not good enough I am moving on from him not committing to him for 3 years

 

 

You should have saved all those words and just posted this as your OP (it's your MO).

 

Brian Hoyer was funny though....



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:02 PM

You lost me with sign Hoyer and extend Sammy.  No thanks.  Maybe OK to Watson though from what I hear.  Don't watch college



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:09 PM

"Don't worry about WR depth, just look at Hankerson's numbers with the Skins."

 

 

Do you remember the offseason when Turk Schonert was installing a no-huddle offense with Lee Evans and TO to throw too?    It was going to be unstoppable! :lol: