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#21 xRUSHx

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 10:25 AM

1 - Get used to things happening in Vegas now that the Raiders are moving there.
 
2 - If an NFL player breaks his arm doing so he only screws himself. 
 
Don't believe me on the latter?  Google it.  Some gruesome videos out there. 

Right on man.
Players are paid very well to be ready for their team they should not be allowed to do other activities that can screw that up.

Edited by xRUSHx, 10 April 2017 - 10:25 AM.


#22 Mr. WEO

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 10:54 AM

No actually I don't. If something's not illegal and the league allows you to do it, why can't you do promotional engagements for them? The league wants to act like gambling doesn't exist, yet they put a team in Vegas. You are correct, players have been hanging out in Vegas for years. How would a promotional appearance change anything. What would it harm?

 

The point you are still somehow missing is that the league does not allow them to do it (promotions in casinos).

 

The NFL does not "act like gambling doesn't exist"--you made that up.  They don't want their players representing the NFL inside casino events and getting paid for it by the casinos.  ALL players agreed to this rule--and the one that requires them to consult the league before anything like this.

 

You are making this much harder than it is...



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 11:40 AM

 
The point you are still somehow missing is that the league does not allow them to do it (promotions in casinos).
 
The NFL does not "act like gambling doesn't exist"--you made that up.  They don't want their players representing the NFL inside casino events and getting paid for it by the casinos.  ALL players agreed to this rule--and the one that requires them to consult the league before anything like this.
 
You are making this much harder than it is...

I'm not making harder than it is. I just view the situation differently than you. That's fine, we can agree to disagree. The league is going to move a team to Vegas in a few years. I think that makes it very ironic and hypocritical to ban players from doing promotional events at casinos. Vegas was built on the back of casinos. It would be like banning players in NYC from appearing in ads for financial institutions.

My opinion that the NFL likes to pretend that gambling doesn't exist stems from the ban on promotional appearances at casinos. Why else does this rule exist? The sole purpose of the rule is to give the league a dignified appearance. The league wants to give the appearance that they are not remotely influenced by gambling interests. It's simply an archaic outlook in a world with gambling everywhere that the league still clings to. An outlook that makes little sense with a team moving to Vegas.

The players may have "agreed" to the rule, but when the league baragians with the players union compromises are made. As is the case with all negotiations both sides must agree to conditions that they don't necessarily agree with. It doesn't mean that the players as a whole agree with the rule. The players for the Las Vegas Raiders will be losing out on a good deal of money not being able to cash in on promotional appearances with casinos. As other posters pointed out the league should be concerned about player safety with the arm wrestling situation. Instead they are worried about the violation of the casino promotional appearance rule.

Edited by DriveFor1Outta5, 10 April 2017 - 11:42 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2017 - 11:43 AM

Joe Mixon is going to get drafted after Tyreek Hill got drafted and they are worried about arm wrestling. What a joke.

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 11:44 AM

Joe Mixon is going to get drafted after Tyreek Hill got drafted and they are worried about arm wrestling. What a joke.

Great point. That's why I'm often highly critical of the league. Their priorities always seem to be backwards.

Edited by DriveFor1Outta5, 10 April 2017 - 11:45 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2017 - 11:54 AM

No actually I don't. If something's not illegal and the league allows you to do it, why can't you do promotional engagements for them? The league wants to act like gambling doesn't exist, yet they put a team in Vegas. You are correct, players have been hanging out in Vegas for years. How would a promotional appearance change anything. What would it harm?

 

THIS is NOT about players gambling.

 

The NFL can ill afford to have ANYTHING look like players or coaches for that matter have any ties or affiliations to gambling. 

 

The NFL would go down in flames if there was any indication that organized gambling was INFLUENCING the outcomes of any of the games.

 

Anyone ever heard of Pete Rose?



#27 DriveFor1Outta5

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 12:05 PM

 
THIS is NOT about players gambling.
 
The NFL can ill afford to have ANYTHING look like players or coaches for that matter have any ties or affiliations to gambling. 
 
The NFL would go down in flames if there was any indication that organized gambling was INFLUENCING the outcomes of any of the games.
 
Anyone ever heard of Pete Rose?

Yes, but players post pics of themselves in Vegas and gambling on Twitter and Instagram all the time. Vegas casino owner Sheldon Adelson was also an initial investor for a Raiders stadium in Vegas before backing out. This makes the NFL look as legit as a three dollar bill imo.

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 12:17 PM

Great point. That's why I'm often highly critical of the league. Their priorities always seem to be backwards.


It's like the NCAA that suspended players for playing fantasy football or spending their bookstore money on folders while they had the Baylor Rapists running around untouched.

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 01:48 PM

I'm not making harder than it is. I just view the situation differently than you. That's fine, we can agree to disagree. The league is going to move a team to Vegas in a few years. I think that makes it very ironic and hypocritical to ban players from doing promotional events at casinos. Vegas was built on the back of casinos. It would be like banning players in NYC from appearing in ads for financial institutions.

My opinion that the NFL likes to pretend that gambling doesn't exist stems from the ban on promotional appearances at casinos. Why else does this rule exist? The sole purpose of the rule is to give the league a dignified appearance. The league wants to give the appearance that they are not remotely influenced by gambling interests. It's simply an archaic outlook in a world with gambling everywhere that the league still clings to. An outlook that makes little sense with a team moving to Vegas.

The players may have "agreed" to the rule, but when the league baragians with the players union compromises are made. As is the case with all negotiations both sides must agree to conditions that they don't necessarily agree with. It doesn't mean that the players as a whole agree with the rule. The players for the Las Vegas Raiders will be losing out on a good deal of money not being able to cash in on promotional appearances with casinos. As other posters pointed out the league should be concerned about player safety with the arm wrestling situation. Instead they are worried about the violation of the casino promotional appearance rule.

 

When you sign a contract you are personally agreeing to everything in it.  Your agreement is explicit.

 

As for the bolded underlined part, your comparisons are getting less and less relevant and convincing.  It's actually not anything like "financial institutions" in NYC.   Moving to a city with casinos and telling players "stay out the casinos if you're their to  make money for the casino as an NFL player" is not hypocritical. 

 

Look, the NFL doesn't want players representing the NFL inside of casinos at casino events for obvious reasons of the appearance of impropriety (especially  MORE relevant as the Raiders are moving to Vegas). Players agreed not to do this. They did it anyway.  Does your employer allow you to break rules of employment you agreed to abide by when you agreed to work for them---when you decide those rules are "stupid"?  I "bet" they don't.

 

These players can rep the casinos after they retire.  Or they can become casino greeters.



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 02:56 PM

 
When you sign a contract you are personally agreeing to everything in it.  Your agreement is explicit.
 
As for the bolded underlined part, your comparisons are getting less and less relevant and convincing.  It's actually not anything like "financial institutions" in NYC.   Moving to a city with casinos and telling players "stay out the casinos if you're their to  make money for the casino as an NFL player" is not hypocritical. 
 
Look, the NFL doesn't want players representing the NFL inside of casinos at casino events for obvious reasons of the appearance of impropriety (especially  MORE relevant as the Raiders are moving to Vegas). Players agreed not to do this. They did it anyway.  Does your employer allow you to break rules of employment you agreed to abide by when you agreed to work for them---when you decide those rules are "stupid"?  I "bet" they don't.
 
These players can rep the casinos after they retire.  Or they can become casino greeters.

I never made the argument that these players should have profited from the casino. They should have known better, and not broken the rules. I'm just stating my opinion that it is a rule which makes the league look hypocritical in my eyes. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Once again, I ask what harm is going to come from a player earning a paycheck from a casino?

The impropriety arguement is exactly where I find the hypocrisy to be. How does a player doing a promotion for a casino increase the odds of impropriety? Any time an NFL player steps foot into a casino there is a chance the player to uses their clout to get in with the elites. It's not like NFL players are banned from going to casinos. With a team in Vegas you can be sure players are going to have interactions with some of the big names in gambling. Banning players from making promotional appearances does nothing to stop the possibility of impropriety. It's just a smoke screen.

Edited by DriveFor1Outta5, 10 April 2017 - 03:11 PM.


#31 Limeaid

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 05:26 PM

Hopefully all will be suspended week 1 giving lots of players an extra week to make rosters.



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 05:50 PM

I never made the argument that these players should have profited from the casino

 

 I ask what harm is going to come from a player earning a paycheck from a casino?

The impropriety arguement is exactly where I find the hypocrisy to be. How does a player doing a promotion for a casino increase the odds of impropriety? Any time an NFL player steps foot into a casino there is a chance the player to uses their clout to get in with the elites. It's not like NFL players are banned from going to casinos. With a team in Vegas you can be sure players are going to have interactions with some of the big names in gambling. Banning players from making promotional appearances does nothing to stop the possibility of impropriety. It's just a smoke screen.

 

Oy....

 

Anyway, because I'm a masochist, I'll give it one more try....

 

The players can go to casinos.  The NFL does not want them in the casinos representing the NFL and doing promotions.  It's really just that simple.  The fact that the Raiders are  moving to Vegas has absolutely nothing to do with gambling or the appearance of endorsing gambling.  The dumb citizens and politicians of that town thought it was a great idea to offer Davis 750 million of money they desperately need for more important things.  No other city offered that.



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 07:34 PM

@rapsheet
The current players who participated in the arm wrestling event at MGM Grand Hotel & Casino violated @NFL policy & will be fined, per source

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 07:47 PM

I'd still like to see the list of players. Apparently Pats had at least one player there:

 

"Steelers linebacker James Harrison, Dolphins wide receiver Kenny Stills, 49ers linebacker Navorro Bowman, Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey, Raiders punter Marquette King, Raiders defensive end Mario Edwards, Patriots safety Patrick Chung, and Cowboys receiver Lucky Whitehead took part in the event. Marshawn Lynch was also a participant and appears poised to join the Raiders for the 2017 season, but Rapoport reports that his current spot on the reserve/retired list will allow him to avoid a fine."

 

Whom amongst the Bills is most likely to do this?



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:02 PM

Gambling.

 

Injury.

 

And most importantly, who won? I bet Richie could hold his own in this contest.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:02 PM

@theMMQB

The NFL Wrestles with Its Las Vegas Double Standard: @AndrewBrandt on the league's growing gambling hypocrisy http://trib.al/5m0GzNR

 

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#37 Chuck Wagon

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:13 PM

Lets be real here, the league is more concerned they didn't come up with this idea and weren't able to air it on NFL net than the players having any ties to gambling.  


Edited by Chuck Wagon, 11 April 2017 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:20 PM

my money would be on pit LB james Harrison

 

 

this is the nfl going too far.....stopping an arm wrestling contest....silly



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:23 PM

Worried about arm wrastling!!! Hah. Derek Carr will be getting wined and dined by some of the richest men in Vegas but the NFL is worried about its integrity. Yah ok.

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:29 PM

I looked at the national arm wrestling site and noticed for this event they had no participants listed unlike other events.  This event seems more an exhibition than other events.  Also it is described as "portion of money in single and team events going to players' charities" rather than proceeds going to charity as one talking head on sports channel claimed when bad mouthing NFL.