[Alaska Darin]

You know, like the Vikings. A team we beat AND who lost AT HOME yesterday to a team we beat just one week ago.

I mean think about it:

McKinnie - First Round
Hutchinson - First Round (though signed as a Free Agent)
Birk - UDFA but a Pro Bowler
Hicks - UDFA signed from the Eagles after 4 seasons
Johnson - High second round

K Williams - High First Round
K. Udeze - First Round
P. Williams - High Profile Free Agent
D. Scott - 3rd Round

That's Four first rounders, one second rounder, and a third rounder for those of you scoring at home. How is it that team didn't roll us by 40?

[MrLocke]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 02:45 PM, said:

You know, like the Vikings.  A team we beat AND who lost AT HOME yesterday to a team we beat just one week ago.

I mean think about it:

McKinnie - First Round
Hutchinson - First Round (though signed as a Free Agent)
Birk - UDFA but a Pro Bowler
Hicks - UDFA signed from the Eagles after 4 seasons
Johnson - High second round

K Williams - High First Round
K. Udeze - First Round
P. Williams - High Profile Free Agent
D. Scott - 3rd Round

That's Four first rounders, one second rounder, and a third rounder for those of you scoring at home.  How is it that team didn't roll us by 40?

Don't forget Erasmus James another first-rounder. I think he is injured, though.

[Beerball]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 01:45 PM, said:

You know, like the Vikings.  A team we beat AND who lost AT HOME yesterday to a team we beat just one week ago.

I mean think about it:

McKinnie - First Round
Hutchinson - First Round (though signed as a Free Agent)
Birk - UDFA but a Pro Bowler
Hicks - UDFA signed from the Eagles after 4 seasons
Johnson - High second round

K Williams - High First Round
K. Udeze - First Round
P. Williams - High Profile Free Agent
D. Scott - 3rd Round

That's Four first rounders, one second rounder, and a third rounder for those of you scoring at home.  How is it that team didn't roll us by 40?

What's yer point, keep going bargain basement on both sides of the line?

[apuszczalowski]

And not drafting lineman has gotten the Bills where?

[Alaska Darin]

Beerball, on Nov 13 2006, 10:47 AM, said:

What's yer point, keep going bargain basement on both sides of the line?

How about: no single avenue guarantees TEAM success.

I guarantee if we pick nothing but OLine in the next draft we'll suck next season too.

[Alaska Darin]

apuszczalowski, on Nov 13 2006, 10:48 AM, said:

And not drafting lineman has gotten the Bills where?

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure we've actually picked a bunch of linemen over the past 10 years.

[BlueFire]

Oh my Gawd, its not where the players are drafted, but who the individual players are and how well they both work by themselves and together?

What a concept!

[MrLocke]

apuszczalowski, on Nov 13 2006, 02:48 PM, said:

And not drafting lineman has gotten the Bills where?

Buffalo has drafted d-linemen early, but not o-linemen early. Schobel, Denny and Kelsay were all second rounders. John McCargo was drafted in the first round this year. Tripplett got good, but not great money from the Bills and Tim Anderson was a third round pick.

I think Jonas and Mike Williams were the highest picks in recent memory.

[JStranger76]

Always one exception. Draft em' early and often and you be rewarded more often than not.

[Alaska Darin]

BlueFire, on Nov 13 2006, 10:50 AM, said:

Oh my Gawd, its not where the players are drafted, but who the individual players are and how well they both work by themselves and together?

What a concept!

Crazy, mad stuff.

[Alaska Darin]

FormerlyGuestJason76, on Nov 13 2006, 10:51 AM, said:

Always one exception. Draft em' early and often and you be rewarded more often than not.

Bull.

[RayFinkle]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

How about: no single avenue guarantees TEAM success.

I guarantee if we pick nothing but OLine in the next draft we'll suck next season too.

Those lines ceratinly haven't single handedly won any games for them or allowed them to steam roll their opponents, but it has kept them in every game they have played.

[Beerball]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

How about: no single avenue guarantees TEAM success.

I guarantee if we pick nothing but OLine in the next draft we'll suck next season too.

How about: no chit Sherlock!

First order of business...fire Modrak, cause who he's recommended (I assume that what he does from Fla) aint working out.

[SilverNRed]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 12:49 PM, said:

How about: no single avenue guarantees TEAM success.

"Draft good players." :blink:

[Alaska Darin]

RayFinkle, on Nov 13 2006, 10:53 AM, said:

Those lines ceratinly haven't single handedly won any games for them or allowed them to steam roll their opponents, but it has kept them in every game they have played.

You mean like the game they lost against NE by 24 points? Or the game against that defensive powerhouse in San Francisco where they put up a whole FIELD GOAL?

Honestly.

[dave mcbride]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 01:45 PM, said:

You know, like the Vikings.  A team we beat AND who lost AT HOME yesterday to a team we beat just one week ago.

I mean think about it:

McKinnie - First Round
Hutchinson - First Round (though signed as a Free Agent)
Birk - UDFA but a Pro Bowler
Hicks - UDFA signed from the Eagles after 4 seasons
Johnson - High second round

K Williams - High First Round
K. Udeze - First Round
P. Williams - High Profile Free Agent
D. Scott - 3rd Round

That's Four first rounders, one second rounder, and a third rounder for those of you scoring at home.  How is it that team didn't roll us by 40?

they're almost the opposite of the bills -- certified journeyman at every position BUT offensive line (including a rapidly declining ancient QB) and a fast WR who simply can't hold onto the ball. all of which leads me to think that ... QB is the most important position in football.

[Alaska Darin]

Beerball, on Nov 13 2006, 10:53 AM, said:

How about: no chit Sherlock!

First order of business...fire Modrak, cause who he's recommended (I assume that what he does from Fla) aint working out.

I'm not sure that's the answer, either. I'm a hell of alot more disappointed we didn't make a serious run at Hutch than anything that's happened in the last 5 years.

[Alaska Darin]

dave mcbride, on Nov 13 2006, 10:59 AM, said:

they're almost the opposite of the bills -- certified journeyman at every position BUT offensive line.

Don't forget DLine.

[Bill from NYC]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 01:45 PM, said:

You know, like the Vikings.  A team we beat AND who lost AT HOME yesterday to a team we beat just one week ago.

I mean think about it:

McKinnie - First Round
Hutchinson - First Round (though signed as a Free Agent)
Birk - UDFA but a Pro Bowler
Hicks - UDFA signed from the Eagles after 4 seasons
Johnson - High second round

K Williams - High First Round
K. Udeze - First Round
P. Williams - High Profile Free Agent
D. Scott - 3rd Round

That's Four first rounders, one second rounder, and a third rounder for those of you scoring at home.  How is it that team didn't roll us by 40?

What about the 06 superbowl? Or does this not count?

The Vikes drafted McKinnie and refused to sign him. They also had the incident on the boat, a qb who was (and is) seriously injured, another old one who seems to have hit the wall, different owners, different coaching staffs, and they lost their best player (Moss).

If you are making the point that nothing is foolproof, you are correct. If you are insinuating that the Bills have properly addressed this gaping, ongoing hole, you are sadly mistaken.

[JStranger76]

New England has done the same thing and it's worked pretty good for them. I didn't say it was guarenteed( look at the Raiders too) but I stand by drafting lineman early as the best approach to building a solid team.