[Bill from NYC]

DrDankenstein, on Jul 30 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

in 2007 the Colts picked a WR in Round 1 and a DT in Round 3
in 2006 they went RB in 1, CB in 2, and LB in 3
in 2005 they went CB in 1, CB in 2 and DE in 3
in 2004 they had no 1 pick, and went Safety in the 2nd.
in 2003 they went TE in 1, Safety in 2, and CB in 3

What a crock of schitt. Before any of this, they solidified the QB spot (Manning), both OT slots (Glenn and Meadows) and the RB position (James). They also had Harrison at WR.
In 07, they took an OG who also plays LT with the 10th pick of round 2. When Glenn suddenly retired, they had a plan. In 08, their first selection was a Center.
Nice try at putting Levy/Jauron in a class with Polian, but if you think that the Colts win because of their defensive backs, you are off by a mile.

[DrDankenstein]

dont get me wrong, i've wanted the Bills to go Oline early for the past 10 years.

my whole point is that its not COMPLETELY necessary to do so in order to build a line.

[DrDankenstein]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

What a crock of schitt. Before any of this, they solidified the QB spot (Manning), both OT slots (Glenn and Meadows) and the RB position (James). They also had Harrison at WR.
In 07, they took an OG who also plays LT with the 10th pick of round 2. When Glenn suddenly retired, they had a plan. In 08, their first selection was a Center.
Nice try at putting Levy jauron in a class with Polian, but if you think that the Colts win because of their defensive backs, you are off by a mile.

crock of schitt, or just the facts. and the fact is that for the 10 years prior to winning a Super Bowl the Colts barely took any lineman early.

[Steely Dan]

erynthered, on Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

I believe what ever signing bonus he received, he'll have to give back 2/3rd's of it.

I'm sure the true story on why he's leaving the NFL will come out soon enough.

I wondered about that. What about the guaranteed money?

DrDankenstein, on Jul 30 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

did some more digging...

you actually have to go back to 1999 to find the last time Polian picked an Olineman in the first 3 rounds (3rd round Guard Brandon Burlsworth)

and there has only been ONE time since then that he picked 2 Dlinemen within the first 3 rounds. 2002 he went Freeney in 1 and Triplett in 2.
he also followed that by picking a Safety in the 3rd.

if you look over the Colts early rounds all the way back to 2000 its mostly DBs, LBs and WR/TEs

No wonder they suck. :rolleyes:

Lori, on Jul 30 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

Of course, the fact that he already had a franchise quarterback and left tackle may have influenced his decisions ...

Ah. I was hoping this was still here: http://www.stadiumwa...showtopic=55088

:P

[ndirish1978]

how did this thread get hijacked? Why did he retire?

[DrDankenstein]

Alaska Darin, on Nov 13 2006, 02:49 PM, said:

How about: no single avenue guarantees TEAM success.

I guarantee if we pick nothing but OLine in the next draft we'll suck next season too.

this was my point really. i wasnt saying that you shouldnt ever draft lineman early. just that you cant say "we're picking this position at this spot no matter what!"

[DrDankenstein]

ndirish1978, on Jul 30 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

how did this thread get hijacked? Why did he retire?

this thread got hijacked cause no one knows why he retired yet and there isnt much else to talk about

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

DrDankenstein, on Jul 30 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

this was my point really. i wasnt saying that you shouldnt ever draft lineman early. just that you cant say "we're picking this position at this spot no matter what!"

Exactly so.... that was my point as well!

[Bluesky]

Steely Dan, on Jul 30 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

I wondered about that. What about the guaranteed money?

Not sure on that. Here's some interesting reading on his Buckeye thread from today, and goes back to 07.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/buckeye...-thread-16.html

[Ramius]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

What a crock of schitt. Before any of this, they solidified the QB spot (Manning), both OT slots (Glenn and Meadows) and the RB position (James). They also had Harrison at WR.
In 07, they took an OG who also plays LT with the 10th pick of round 2. When Glenn suddenly retired, they had a plan. In 08, their first selection was a Center.
Nice try at putting Levy/Jauron in a class with Polian, but if you think that the Colts win because of their defensive backs, you are off by a mile.

So why hasnt their drafting of lots of DBs doomed them to failure? You are very fond of stating that the Bills drafting DBs is what causes to miss the playoffs year in and out, so why hasnt this affected the Colts?

[LynchMob23]

Because the bills have to be as bad as possible to get a number one pick to use on a left tackle, then a quarterback, THEN we can waste picks on defensive backs....

[MRW]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

What a crock of schitt. Before any of this, they solidified the QB spot (Manning), both OT slots (Glenn and Meadows) and the RB position (James). They also had Harrison at WR.
In 07, they took an OG who also plays LT with the 10th pick of round 2. When Glenn suddenly retired, they had a plan. In 08, their first selection was a Center.
Nice try at putting Levy/Jauron in a class with Polian, but if you think that the Colts win because of their defensive backs, you are off by a mile.

OK Bill, but if that's the case why do you have such a problem with the Bills taking DBs? After all, they have Peters (hopefully) anchoring LT, Walker doing decent at RT, Dockery is solid at G, and you are very very impressed with Edwards at QB. So what really makes the Colts' situation different?

And don't try to tell me their DBs have had no impact, does the name Bob Sanders ring a bell?

[Bill from NYC]

DrDankenstein, on Jul 30 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

this was my point really. i wasnt saying that you shouldnt ever draft lineman early. just that you cant say "we're picking this position at this spot no matter what!"

Don't you think that this is exactly what we do with defensive backs?

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 04:02 PM, said:

Don't you think that this is exactly what we do with defensive backs?

I don't think that is the case, and can't understand why someone as obviously smart as you wants to make such an assumption.

[Bill from NYC]

MRW, on Jul 30 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

OK Bill, but if that's the case why do you have such a problem with the Bills taking DBs?

We use our best picks on them, develop them, watch them walk away, and then chase after more. It never ends; it is a merry go-round of idiocy. How many picks have we wasted trying to replace Clements?
We play in the elements where running matters more than passing at times.

Again, a 3rd round corner playing behind a great DL looks way better than a 1st round corner playing behind a sub-par DL.
PS: We are not winning many football games.

[Ramius]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

We use our best picks on them, develop them, watch them walk away, and then chase after more. It never ends; it is a merry go-round of idiocy. How many picks have we wasted trying to replace Clements?
We play in the elements where running matters more than passing at times.

Again, a 3rd round corner playing behind a great DL looks way better than a 1st round corner playing behind a sub-par DL.
PS: We are not winning many football games.

you need good players, regardless of position. Consider some recent 4th rounders we've taken. Would you rather have Ko Simpson or Duke Preston?

Also, you never answered this:
"After all, they have Peters (hopefully) anchoring LT, Walker doing decent at RT, Dockery is solid at G, and you are very very impressed with Edwards at QB. So what really makes the Colts' situation different?"

[Bill from NYC]

Ramius, on Jul 30 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

you need good players, regardless of position. Consider some recent 4th rounders we've taken. Would you rather have Ko Simpson or Duke Preston?

Also, you never answered this:
"After all, they have Peters (hopefully) anchoring LT, Walker doing decent at RT, Dockery is solid at G, and you are very very impressed with Edwards at QB. So what really makes the Colts' situation different?"

I truly hope that I am wrong, but I don't think either of them is any good. Imo Simpson looks slow and Preston is weak.

As for the other question remember, I am unimpressed with Fowler. He is another guy with good technique who gets shoved around. And this OL, while 5x better than anything we have seen in a decade (assuming Peters plays), it is very thin, especially at OG.
Did they really need Corner? They drafted Youboty, McKelvin, and brought in a UFA. They extended McGee a while ago, and just how bad is Greer? It is stupid R-Man, almost like an addiction.

Tell the truth, wouldn't you rather they had taken a shot at a Guard with the 4th? If not, how about the freaking 7th? :rolleyes:

[Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail]

Pitcock was Tim Anderson's identical twin. I'm not surprised that it is turning out this way. I am surprised he was selected in the third round.

[Bill from NYC]

Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail, on Jul 30 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

Pitcock was Tim Anderson's identical twin. I'm not surprised that it is turning out this way. I am surprised he was selected in the third round.

Was he "smart" and "high motor?" :rolleyes:

[Ramius]

Bill from NYC, on Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

I truly hope that I am wrong, but I don't think either of them is any good. Imo Simpson looks slow and Preston is weak.

As for the other question remember, I am unimpressed with Fowler. He is another guy with good technique who gets shoved around. And this OL, while 5x better than anything we have seen in a decade (assuming Peters plays), it is very thin, especially at OG.
Did they really need Corner? They drafted Youboty, McKelvin, and brought in a UFA. They extended McGee a while ago, and just how bad is Greer? It is stupid R-Man, almost like an addiction.

Tell the truth, wouldn't you rather they had taken a shot at a Guard with the 4th? If not, how about the freaking 7th? :rolleyes:

I've told you before, that on draft day i was perplexed by the corner selection. However, its entirely possible that the Bills didnt have any OL rated as 4th round talent. We picked corner at 114. 3 OL went in the 4 picks before us. The next OL wasnt taken until pick 130. There's no point on reaching for an OL pick just so you can say that you picked an OL.

As for centers, yes we need an upgrade, but there were none available in this years draft that could have stepped in and made a difference in year 1 or 2. As for as the 7th round goes, its a crapshoot, and 7th rounders are the same as street FAs.

Would it have made you feel better had we drafted felton and brought cox in as a UDFA instead of vice versa? theres no difference.

As for Ko vs preston...one of them can barely crack the team as a backup, and the other is the starting FS. So no matter what you think (which is inherently biased, because you have a very low opinion of all DBs on this team), the coaching staff believes that Ko is starter material, and good enough where they didnt need to bring in any competition.