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#21 GunnerBill

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:34 AM

I love when he crosses his feet in his drop lol. Needs a lot of coaching. Great arm tho.


His back foot seems to have a life of its own at times in the pocket. I think that is where people might be going with the Cardale comparison. I don't see a lot there that is common between the two but they both have the wandering back foot and a big arm.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:36 AM

The point is that he has a lot of raw tools but nothing else. Not that they are the same QB. If you are that literal we probably can't talk.

 

Cardale is a project. Mahomes could play this year with the right system and coach in the NFL.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:53 AM

 

Aaron Rodgers fell because he was considered another product of the Tedford system. And his mechanics were bad.

 

Many of you sound like you are parroting the dumb NFL teams that keep making the same mistakes over and over again.


 

There is no one in their right mind that would compare Tyrod to Mahomes. The only thing you have right is that he is in a system that is harder to evaluate for the NFL.

So your point is Mahomes will be another Rogers? I love when people cite exceptions for defending a position as if it were the rule.. There is much higher likelihood he is a Billy Joe Toliver. Seems like you are the one making the same mistake over and over by projecting a QB running a non standard system to have the same success in the NFL. He is worth a risk at 2 or 3 but certainly not a 1 especially with our needs at WR.


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#24 NastyNateSoldiers

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:55 AM

No QB coming out of college is a finished product but here's the things I think are most important traits to have as a prospect.

Vision
Anticipation
Stong Arm
Accurate
Intelligence

Now when it comes to Mahomes he flashes the arm strength and accuracy that u need to be elite in NFL. His anticipation skills and vision are some what there but the system he plays in is a true spread gm that attacks the defenses weaknesses. I see him reading threw his progressions very quickly but not sure about the anticipation part of his gm. The one thing we know he's flawed at is the playbook portion of his gm. The question is does he have the mental makeup to digest an NFL playbook and keep his style of play intact. Which is easier said then done.

Not being mechanical or a great technician is not that important u can teach those things to him. Mahomes has great energy in his gm and the fact that he played in a gunslinger spread scheme can actually help him at the next level. This Kid ain't scared to make throws that's what I love bout him. He also has a great feel to throwing the ball knowing when to put a soft touch or when to lob or throw a bullet in a tight spot.

#25 jeffismagic

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:57 AM

So your point is Mahomes will be another Rogers? I love when people cite exceptions for defending a position as if it were the rule.. There is much higher likelihood he is a Billy Joe Toliver. Seems like you are the one making the same mistake over and over by projecting a QB running a non standard system to have the same success in the NFL. He is worth a risk at 2 or 3 but certainly not a 1 especially with our needs at WR.

 

No, my point was that Rodgers was dinged for system and mechanics. Please show me where I stated Mahomes IS Aaron Rodgers. If I thought that I would trade every pick for him. I like Mahomes as a Derek Carr/Dak Prescott level prospect.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:01 AM

Don't pretty much all Qb's do well in this system and then fizzle out in the NFL?


To be fair to the rest of the systems out there... don't pretty much all good college qbs crash and burn in the NFL?

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:01 AM

He'll look great in a Pats*** uni. :ph34r:



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:03 AM

 
No, my point was that Rodgers was dinged for system and mechanics. Please show me where I stated Mahomes IS Aaron Rodgers. If I thought that I would trade every pick for him. I like Mahomes as a Derek Carr/Dak Prescott level prospect.

I definitely say more Derek Carr then anyone else. Kid looks just like him out there quick release, strong arm same type of high energy player. Even there body types are the same. I'm willing to say that there scouting reports are nearly identical coming out of college.

#29 jeffismagic

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:08 AM

I definitely say more Derek Carr then anyone else. Kid looks just like him out there quick release, strong arm same type of high energy player. Even there body types are the same. I'm willing to say that there scouting reports are nearly identical coming out of college.

 

Yes, good comp. Also both played in a gimmicky offense that made them harder to evaluate. If Mahomes was in a pro system like Luck he would go top ten.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM

He'll look great in a Pats*** uni. :ph34r:

 

Huh?



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:14 AM

Solid backup plan if we can't get the truth.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:15 AM

 

No, my point was that Rodgers was dinged for system and mechanics. Please show me where I stated Mahomes IS Aaron Rodgers. If I thought that I would trade every pick for him. I like Mahomes as a Derek Carr/Dak Prescott level prospect.

 

 

 By citing the exception you are implying that is a possibility no? Otherwise why even say it. I agree with you that he is worth a flyer as high as the second round but absolutely not in the first round. This is not a draft to burn a first round pick on the QB otherwise you run a higher than usual risk of drafting Trash such as we did with EJ.


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#33 NastyNateSoldiers

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:15 AM

We take Mahomes I would start him from day one and let him throw the ball 35-40 times a game. Let him learn from experience. He might throw 20 or more pks in his first season but he's gonna learn a ton bout the gm and it will benefit him in the future. Peyton Manning was developed this way he also threw over 20 pks in his rookie yr but look how the experience paid off.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:17 AM

This is not a draft to burn a first round pick on the QB.


Unless you're the Buffalo Bills who have no qb.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:18 AM

We take Mahomes I would start him from day one and let him throw the ball 35-40 times a game. Let him learn from experience. He might throw 20 or more pks in his first season but he's gonna learn a ton bout the gm and it will benefit him in the future. Peyton Manning was developed this way he also threw over 20 pks in his rookie yr but look how the experience paid off.

 

I would sign Foles or Moore and then draft Mahomes. 

 

Foles, Mahomes, C Jones QB camp battle. 



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:23 AM

 

Aaron Rodgers fell because he was considered another product of the Tedford system. And his mechanics were bad.

 

Many of you sound like you are parroting the dumb NFL teams that keep making the same mistakes over and over again.


 

There is no one in their right mind that would compare Tyrod to Mahomes. The only thing you have right is that he is in a system that is harder to evaluate for the NFL.

Like I said, watch whole games and not just highlights. It reminded me of watching Tyrod play for us. Is he athletically gifted and did he succeed at a college level? Yes, yes he did. There are a lot of things that he gets away with in college that will not work in the NFL. He will be a guy like Tyrod who can get you 200 yds a game passing, will be inconsistent with his accuracy, inconsistent with his reads, takes off when he doesn't need to because of the rush, can extend plays with his legs to make a downfield throw, and get you some rushing yards from the QB spot JUST LIKE Tyrod. The only difference is he is a shade taller so he might be able to see over the line a little better, He's not Rodgers, he's not Derek Carr, he's not Dak Prescott, bet that. 



#37 jeffismagic

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:24 AM

Like I said, watch whole games and not just highlights. It reminded me of watching Tyrod play for us. Is he athletically gifted and did he succeed at a college level? Yes, yes he did. There are a lot of things that he gets away with in college that will not work in the NFL. He will be a guy like Tyrod who can get you 200 yds a game passing, will be inconsistent with his accuracy, inconsistent with his reads, takes off when he doesn't need to because of the rush, can extend plays with his legs to make a downfield throw, and get you some rushing yards from the QB spot JUST LIKE Tyrod. The only difference is he is a shade taller so he might be able to see over the line a little better, He's not Rodgers, he's not Derek Carr, he's not Dak Prescott, bet that. 

 

I urge you to do the same. Your Tyrod-Mahomes comparison is funny, I'll give you that. They play nothing alike.

 

Just curious, what QB do you like in this draft?


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:25 AM

 

I urge you to do the same. Your Tyrod-Mahomes comparison is funny, I'll give you that. They play nothing alike.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:29 AM

Like I said, watch whole games and not just highlights. It reminded me of watching Tyrod play for us. Is he athletically gifted and did he succeed at a college level? Yes, yes he did. There are a lot of things that he gets away with in college that will not work in the NFL. He will be a guy like Tyrod who can get you 200 yds a game passing, will be inconsistent with his accuracy, inconsistent with his reads, takes off when he doesn't need to because of the rush, can extend plays with his legs to make a downfield throw, and get you some rushing yards from the QB spot JUST LIKE Tyrod. The only difference is he is a shade taller so he might be able to see over the line a little better, He's not Rodgers, he's not Derek Carr, he's not Dak Prescott, bet that. 

The difference u cite about him being taller and seeing things better can be HUGE!! Plus his arm strength and accuracy is much better. So basically if he can do the things Tyrod does but sees the field better he can become even better then most of the QBS u mentioned here except for Rodgers. My opinion is that Tyrod is a inch away from being better then Carr or Dak .

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:40 AM

The Bills liked Wilson and Prescott, but waited too long to take them and missed out.  They weren't going to take Carr or Bridgewater the year after taking EJ in the 1st.  If they think Mahomes is the real deal Holyfield, they're going to have to take him in the 1st, ideally after a trade down.