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#41 Eric Moulds on my A**

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:49 AM

Seriously? I'm conflicted. He seems to be good in free agency and horrible in drafting. Seems smart, but then he champions EJ. 
 
So I really have no clue. 



Seems like Whaley does a good job analyzing defensive positions in the draft and free agency but cannot figure out offensive talent to save his life. Case and point moving up to draft Sammy in a WR loaded draft and the EJ debacle. Also Bryce Brown, Mike Williams... etc.
But some of the trades he's pulled has saved his a**. Hughes for Sheppard alone gave him a longer leash.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:52 AM

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Source tells me Butler & his camp remain extremely frustrated by Pats position & Gilmore signing. Courting offers elsewhere. Wants new home

He won't come here.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:55 AM

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All that said, I was given a strong indication Butler prefers to be a "Patriot for life." He wants to make it work in New England.

 

 

Not going to happen. Gilmore already is a 13 mill cap eating space nugget. Pats don't usually pay full market once, let alone twice.


Edited by cba fan, 13 March 2017 - 11:56 AM.


#44 TheElectricCompany

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:57 AM

Another example at how ruthless BB can be. When people say "We should be more like the Patriots", this is the kind of stuff that only Belichick can pull of. 

 

Butler has improved year after year, working his way up as an UDFA. He alone guaranteed them a Super Bowl. He's clearly a top tier corner and by all accounts is a great teammate and professional. He deserves a quality contract, so what do the Patriots do? Pay more for an inferior player in Gilmore and low ball him on a new contract. Of course he's going to be frustrated. 


Edited by TheElectricCompany, 13 March 2017 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:58 AM

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All that said, I was given a strong indication Butler prefers to be a "Patriot for life." He wants to make it work in New England.

 

Of course he's going to say/indicate that.  But seeing someone like Gilmore getting $13M/year when he was offered half that amount is a slap in the face.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:59 AM

The Gilmore deal is still surprising to me. BB never overpays like that, and Gilmore doesn't seem like his kind of guy. Really makes you wonder.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:13 PM

The Gilmore deal is still surprising to me. BB never overpays like that, and Gilmore doesn't seem like his kind of guy. Really makes you wonder.

other thing I thought was odd (maybe only to me) was that reportedly the deal went down very quickly. Gilmore didn't learn of NE's interest until that very morning and then a deal was done immediately. No visit, and the only other team he's even talked to was Chicago. I'd assume his agent did a ton of pre-vetting on this at the combine but if it's true that NE came out of the blue on Friday, and he jumped (didn't get his full asking price either) just seems odd to me. Unless he's just always wanted to play for them. But he doesn't strike me as a "win at all costs" type guy. He seemed like a "biggest payday" type guy. Obviously I don't know him personally and this is all mere outside observation, and pats were simply the biggest offer.

Edited by YoloinOhio, 13 March 2017 - 12:15 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

Belicheat is Benjamin Linus.
 
He's an evil manipulative liar, yet everyone still tries to make deals with him.


I think you are just plain LOST! (wink)

other thing I thought was odd (maybe only to me) was that reportedly the deal went down very quickly. Gilmore didn't learn of NE's interest until that very morning and then a deal was done immediately. No visit, and the only other team he's even talked to was Chicago. I'd assume his agent did a ton of pre-vetting on this at the combine but if it's true that NE came out of the blue on Friday, and he jumped (didn't get his full asking price either) just seems odd to me. Unless he's just always wanted to play for them. But he doesn't strike me as a "win at all costs" type guy. He seemed like a "biggest payday" type guy. Obviously I don't know him personally and this is all mere outside observation, and pats were simply the biggest offer.


Could Gilmore be used as a trade? i.e. never actually play for NE?

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

other thing I thought was odd (maybe only to me) was that reportedly the deal went down very quickly. Gilmore didn't learn of NE's interest until that very morning and then a deal was done immediately. No visit, and the only other team he's even talked to was Chicago. I'd assume his agent did a ton of pre-vetting on this at the combine but if it's true that NE came out of the blue on Friday, and he jumped (didn't get his full asking price either) just seems odd to me. Unless he's just always wanted to play for them. But he doesn't strike me as a "win at all costs" type guy. He seemed like a "biggest payday" type guy. Obviously I don't know him personally and this is all mere outside observation, and pats were simply the biggest offer.


It seems obvious to me. He simply wanted to leave( I thought that from the onset) , the Pats paid close to his asking price, and the Pats will win regardless of how well he plays. Top it off with getting to play BUF twice a year and rub their nose in it. A perfect turn of events for Steph.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:23 PM

It seems obvious to me. He simply wanted to leave( I thought that from the onset) , the Pats paid close to his asking price, and the Pats will win regardless of how well he plays. Top it off with getting to play BUF twice a year and rub their nose in it. A perfect turn of events for Steph.

I have no doubt he wanted to leave. I also have no doubt the Bills were ok with that given they only offered him 10.5/yr. I simply figured he would have more interest in checking out other teams as well before signing. Perhaps Pats were the best offer he would get? I thought he'd get more than 13 actually. I don't think he cares about how often he plays the Bills, but that's jmo.

#51 dave mcbride

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:25 PM

other thing I thought was odd (maybe only to me) was that reportedly the deal went down very quickly. Gilmore didn't learn of NE's interest until that very morning and then a deal was done immediately. No visit, and the only other team he's even talked to was Chicago. I'd assume his agent did a ton of pre-vetting on this at the combine but if it's true that NE came out of the blue on Friday, and he jumped (didn't get his full asking price either) just seems odd to me. Unless he's just always wanted to play for them. But he doesn't strike me as a "win at all costs" type guy. He seemed like a "biggest payday" type guy. Obviously I don't know him personally and this is all mere outside observation, and pats were simply the biggest offer.

... or maybe he's a win at all costs once he actually gets his big payday kind of guy.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:28 PM

... or maybe he's a win at all costs once he actually gets his big payday kind of guy.

;)
It's probably just me but I always pictured him going somewhere like Tennessee or NO. Maybe it's the southern drawl.

Edited by YoloinOhio, 13 March 2017 - 12:28 PM.


#53 Boyst62

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:30 PM

Really. Watch the games.

again?

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

Seriously? I'm conflicted. He seems to be good in free agency and horrible in drafting. Seems smart, but then he champions EJ. 
 
So I really have no clue.


Fair assessment. I don't necessarily think he's horrible in drafting. Changing schemes every two years can have an effect on how players fit. The ej pick was a failure 100% but it just seemed as if we were going to draft the top qb on our board no matter what that season. It just so happened to be the worst qb class ever. He was able to trade down and acquire more picks in doing so. whether or not he can get a franchise qb will inevitably be his legacy, as is with most gms. Tyrod is a good place holder but probably will never be "the man" imo

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

It's nice to imagine a day when I don't care at all what the patriots do.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:04 PM

a Twitter bitter battle



#57 Iron Maiden

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:16 PM

Butler is not going anywhere....I can't picture any team giving up a 1st round pick and paying him a top 10 CB salary....He'll play in NE at the $3.91 Million tender...his only leverage is to hold out, but I can't picture him passing on almost 4 million....



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:20 PM

Butler is not going anywhere....I can't picture any team giving up a 1st round pick and paying him a top 10 CB salary....He'll play in NE at the $3.91 Million tender...his only leverage is to hold out, but I can't picture him passing on almost 4 million....


Man, that is going to sting - playing across from a guy you think you're better than, who is getting paid almost $10 million more.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:22 PM

Can restricted free agentd hold out for any part of the season and still get a year towards free agency?

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

Man, that is going to sting - playing across from a guy you think you're better than, who is getting paid almost $10 million more.

 

True....hopefully, he's frustrated and not giving the famous 110% this coming year....but I assume BB is good at spotting the lack of effort....


Can restricted free agentd hold out for any part of the season and still get a year towards free agency?

 

I would venture to say no, but I'm not sure....