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#2041 ScottLaw

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:32 AM

Yeah, this is a move by them I cannot understand at all.


It's not the only one...

#2042 thebandit27

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 07:58 AM

 

You mean the same QB and WR who finished in the bottom 3 in passing in the league last season? That same duo? We were top 10 because our OL is prominant in run blocking and Tyrod can run the ball.

 

Yep, the same ones...ranking dead last in the NFL in passing attempts for 2 consecutive seasons will do that.

 

The data on Sammy is out there, and it's hardly inconclusive.  When he's been targeted with a similar ratio to guys like Jones/Brown/Beckham, he's been at least as good.

 

Philadelphia's passing offense yards

6th       2014

12th     2015

24th     2016

 

Buffalo's passing offense yards

18th      2014

28th     2015

30th     2016

 

I'd say Matthews had a lot more opportunities then Sammy to be involved.  Maybe he just wasn't open as often.

 

Opportunity has been the #1 factor...availability comes in at a [relatively] distant second.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:09 AM

 

Yep, the same ones...ranking dead last in the NFL in passing attempts for 2 consecutive seasons will do that.

 

The data on Sammy is out there, and it's hardly inconclusive.  When he's been targeted with a similar ratio to guys like Jones/Brown/Beckham, he's been at least as good.

 

 

Opportunity has been the #1 factor...availability comes in at a [relatively] distant second.

 

 

He wouldn't have seen the targets here.  And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough.  Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder?



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:19 AM

 

 

He wouldn't have seen the targets here.  And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough.  Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder?

 

No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:19 AM

It's not the only one...

 

No, it's pretty much the only one. 



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:21 AM

 

 

He wouldn't have seen the targets here.  And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough.  Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder?

 

Um, if he is the more dynamic player you certainly do. Any smart coach would do that. They haven't committed any money to Gurley, he's still on a rookie deal and the Rams can get out of the Austin contract next year with only a $5M dead cap hit, so he might be gone anyways. 



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:24 AM

We'll see how Sammy does in LA. God has to step up gig time and in preseasonhe was targeting Krupp primarily.

My guess is Sammy won't get the touches he wants out there.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:29 AM

No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys.

 

Looks like they'll have to do that.  It will be interesting to see how this season plays out for him.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:31 AM

 

No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys.

 

That's exactly what they are planning according to Snead and Mcvay.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:41 AM

 
Looks like they'll have to do that.  It will be interesting to see how this season plays out for him.

he's in the NFC West. Those teams covering him are world different than our AFC E.

He is going to get beat around by Seattle. Field day with SF until those safeties hit him. Arizona and Peterson will be on him like glue, with matheiu giving him grief too.

Sammy has no reason not to out up 1000 yards, though and everyone will annoint him Savior

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

Just listened to Bill Simmons say Watkins was wide open everytime the Bills played the Pats, but understood the trade as they could not sign him (and injury concerns, however forgetting that they could have extended him).

 

BTW if OBJ doesn't play this weekend will he be deemed injury prone?



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:08 PM

Just listened to Bill Simmons say Watkins was wide open everytime the Bills played the Pats, but understood the trade as they could not sign him (and injury concerns, however forgetting that they could have extended him).

 

BTW if OBJ doesn't play this weekend will he be deemed injury prone?

 

He missed 5 games in his 3 years in the league.  Sam missed 11 in his 3 years.

 

Apples and Oranges ... in many ways.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:16 PM

 

He missed 5 games in his 3 years in the league.  Sam missed 11 in his 3 years.

 

Apples and Oranges ... in many ways.

 

Which is why a great part of getting Jordan Matthews is that he has missed 2 games in that time span. 


Edited by JohnBonhamRocks, 07 September 2017 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 04:40 PM

Philadelphia's passing offense yards
6th       2014
12th     2015
24th     2016
 
Buffalo's passing offense yards
18th      2014
28th     2015
30th     2016
 
I'd say Matthews had a lot more opportunities then Sammy to be involved.  Maybe he just wasn't open as often.


One of the worst attempts and displays to justify something that I have ever seen.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 06:35 PM

One of the worst attempts and displays to justify something that I have ever seen.

Philly had a much more proficient pass attack, which helped Matthews #'s.  Pretty simple imo.


 

Which is why a great part of getting Jordan Matthews is that he has missed 2 games in that time span. 

And Watkins is 100% this year.