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#1421 Commonsense

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:00 PM

Amazing how many fans twist and turn in attempt to convince themselves that the latest WTF moment is actually a good thing for the team. I'm as critical of Watkins as anyone else had ever been but only a fool believes this was OBD being held hostage by a player with low "signability". This is the NFL the owners and GMs have all the leverage, throw around a few extra guaranteed dollars and players start singing tunes of praise.

It's a slap in the face to fans. "Run deep" "All in"... the next slogan should be a little more direct..."you're drunk and stupid just get in here and buy some hot dogs"

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:04 PM

Eagles players reactions to losin Matthews -

https://www.bleeding...ia-news-twitter

They all seem to have a common theme. Here's a couple of my favs -

"I've known my dawg J Matt for a little over a year. From day 1 he was genuine & a true friend. I've known people my entire life who haven't challenged me to be a Man of God, & push myself as an athlete, as he has in a year of time. You've helped me prioritize what's important in life! Stay BLESSED family & be GREAT in Buffalo!!✊ #BigDogOutTheGate"

Torrey Smith -
I've only been around @jmattjmattjmatt for a few months but he is easily one of my favorite teammates ever. Good luck bro! God has you!

And Wentz -
Crazy part of this business. @jmattjmattjmatt you'll always be my boy both on & off the field. Couldn't ask for a better teammate & frien

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:06 PM

Amazing how many fans twist and turn in attempt to convince themselves that the latest WTF moment is actually a good thing for the team. I'm as critical of Watkins as anyone else had ever been but only a fool believes this was OBD being held hostage by a player with low "signability". This is the NFL the owners and GMs have all the leverage, throw around a few extra guaranteed dollars and players start singing tunes of praise.

It's a slap in the face to fans. "Run deep" "All in"... the next slogan should be a little more direct..."you're drunk and stupid just get in here and buy some hot dogs"

In my experience that slogan would aptly describe many in attendance at Bills games.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:23 PM

John, I understand that the above could confuse you. I will try to explain:

 

In the 2017 draft, I failed to see much difference wrt the way the new coach went about things. They walked away from a QB and traded down. To draft who? That's right, another first round defensive back. They DID draft a blocker although they had to trade up to do so, but that can work. It did with Levitre. Why should I (or even you) believe that they will not waste most of these picks that they now possess? Six picks in the first 3 rounds? Great! Will they use 4 on running backs and defensive backs John?  Is this what you want?

 

Now, they traded away a decent corner and traded for a perhaps weak one. This leaves the door wide open for more wasted picks. I don't want to hear any more that players like Spiller, McKelvin, and Whitner were "good." We lost football games because we wasted our resources on these people. And if Gilmore was SO good, why didn't we keep him?

 

In short, I don't trust the new administration yet. I believe they are better than Rex/Whaley but only because they couldn't possibly be worse. How about we make the playoffs before we throw roses at these guys?

 

Bill ... you've been here a while and obviously are respected ... but do you really think give history .. 1 .. Sammy plays a full season .. 2 .. he resigns ... given past performance and his own commentary and also the Bills history of not overspending (i.e Jarius Byrd (which turned out a good choice, Levitre, Gilmore) ... bottom line .. we're a small market team ... we need to be like Green bay and build via the draft .. the past captains yes have sucked since the Marv Levy years ... but at least Pegula doesn't stand pat .. he moves on and tries a different route .. without faiure there is no success ... Lord knows we've failed a lot .. I'll take the future draft capital .. vs. what we got for Gilmore's departure .. i.e .. NADA


Amazing how many fans twist and turn in attempt to convince themselves that the latest WTF moment is actually a good thing for the team. I'm as critical of Watkins as anyone else had ever been but only a fool believes this was OBD being held hostage by a player with low "signability". This is the NFL the owners and GMs have all the leverage, throw around a few extra guaranteed dollars and players start singing tunes of praise.

It's a slap in the face to fans. "Run deep" "All in"... the next slogan should be a little more direct..."you're drunk and stupid just get in here and buy some hot dogs"

 

Now that's funny ... we do have a tradition of good tailgates ... and supporting the Bills .. so the slogan could work



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:45 PM

Eagles players reactions to losin Matthews -

https://www.bleeding...ia-news-twitter

They all seem to have a common theme. Here's a couple of my favs -

"I've known my dawg J Matt for a little over a year. From day 1 he was genuine & a true friend. I've known people my entire life who haven't challenged me to be a Man of God, & push myself as an athlete, as he has in a year of time. You've helped me prioritize what's important in life! Stay BLESSED family & be GREAT in Buffalo!!✊ #BigDogOutTheGate"

Torrey Smith -
I've only been around @jmattjmattjmatt for a few months but he is easily one of my favorite teammates ever. Good luck bro! God has you!

And Wentz -
Crazy part of this business. @jmattjmattjmatt you'll always be my boy both on & off the field. Couldn't ask for a better teammate & frien


That sounds so much like what the Bills players said about Sammy.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:57 PM

wow only 72 pages?  That's all you got that we lost a generational talent like Watkins while you guys cried for 200 pages on a slow 30 catch a season Hogan? like WHAT'S WITH THAT?!!!



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:21 AM

wow only 72 pages?  That's all you got that we lost a generational talent like Watkins while you guys cried for 200 pages on a slow 30 catch a season Hogan? like WHAT'S WITH THAT?!!!

 

Im assuming cause NE had to do with it



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:53 AM

That sounds so much like what the Bills players said about Sammy.


I mean, I can see some similarity in some of the comments but I don't remember reading anyone saying he was their favorite teammate, or that he pushed them to be better than what they were, or challenged them to be a man of god or "words can't describe the impact you've had on my life". Every single guy commented on Matthews character.

The Bills comments were more about being shocked about Sammy being traded, and a couple said they were sad to lose a friend. Zay Jones did say some nice things about Sammy being helpful. So yeah, similar in some regards, but different.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:33 AM

@4tommartin
Sammy Watkins at intro presser on the trade: "Just a total shock. But I'm definitely excited."

Watkins: "I'm 100% healthy. Foot thing is out the door. Probably need to get in a bit better shape but I'm fine."

Watkins: "Just being in LA can help me out. Nice weather.... a blessing to be here, to be on grass 8/9 games, being w/ Woods. It's great."

Watkins on early targets in #Bills preseason opener (smiling): "After the game I was like....oh, I probably was out there auditioning."

Edited by YoloinOhio, 13 August 2017 - 04:34 AM.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:07 AM

 

Bill ... you've been here a while and obviously are respected ... but do you really think give history .. 1 .. Sammy plays a full season .. 2 .. he resigns ... given past performance and his own commentary and also the Bills history of not overspending (i.e Jarius Byrd (which turned out a good choice, Levitre, Gilmore) ... bottom line .. we're a small market team ... we need to be like Green bay and build via the draft .. the past captains yes have sucked since the Marv Levy years ... but at least Pegula doesn't stand pat .. he moves on and tries a different route .. without faiure there is no success ... Lord knows we've failed a lot .. I'll take the future draft capital .. vs. what we got for Gilmore's departure .. i.e .. NADA


 

Now that's funny ... we do have a tradition of good tailgates ... and supporting the Bills .. so the slogan could work

Why would this matter...all teams build through the draft...the NFL makes billions in revenue and much of that is shared equally plus we have one of the wealthiest owners in the league. The small market line is a bunch of crap


@4tommartin
Sammy Watkins at intro presser on the trade: "Just a total shock. But I'm definitely excited."

Watkins: "I'm 100% healthy. Foot thing is out the door. Probably need to get in a bit better shape but I'm fine."

Watkins: "Just being in LA can help me out. Nice weather.... a blessing to be here, to be on grass 8/9 games, being w/ Woods. It's great."

Watkins on early targets in #Bills preseason opener (smiling): "After the game I was like....oh, I probably was out there auditioning."

Let's see...Buffalo or southern California.......tough choice



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:29 AM

That sounds so much like what the Bills players said about Sammy.

 

:lol:


Why would this matter...all teams build through the draft...the NFL makes billions in revenue and much of that is shared equally plus we have one of the wealthiest owners in the league. The small market line is a bunch of crap


Let's see...Buffalo or southern California.......tough choice

 

Well but actually - warmer weather and playing on grass are both better for soft tissue/flexibility, I'm fairly certain.  So maybe that's what he meant.

 

I used to hate L.A. but the last few times I've visited I've fallen in love.  Great food, great bars, and you throw up a tennis ball and it's going to land on a "10."



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:29 AM

I mean, I can see some similarity in some of the comments but I don't remember reading anyone saying he was their favorite teammate, or that he pushed them to be better than what they were, or challenged them to be a man of god or "words can't describe the impact you've had on my life". Every single guy commented on Matthews character.

The Bills comments were more about being shocked about Sammy being traded, and a couple said they were sad to lose a friend. Zay Jones did say some nice things about Sammy being helpful. So yeah, similar in some regards, but different.

He was being facetious

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:32 AM

 

:lol:


 

Well but actually - warmer weather and playing on grass are both better for soft tissue/flexibility, I'm fairly certain.  So maybe that's what he meant.

 

I used to hate L.A. but the last few times I've visited I've fallen in love.  Great food, great bars, and you throw up a tennis ball and it's going to land on a "10."

Nice



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:54 AM

 
:lol:

 
Well but actually - warmer weather and playing on grass are both better for soft tissue/flexibility, I'm fairly certain.  So maybe that's what he meant.
 
I used to hate L.A. but the last few times I've visited I've fallen in love.  Great food, great bars, and you throw up a tennis ball and it's going to land on a "10."

The idea that everyone is gorgeous in LA. One of the worlds greatest myths. It all depends where you choose to throw that tennis ball up.

 
:lol:

 
Well but actually - warmer weather and playing on grass are both better for soft tissue/flexibility, I'm fairly certain.  So maybe that's what he meant.
 
I used to hate L.A. but the last few times I've visited I've fallen in love.  Great food, great bars, and you throw up a tennis ball and it's going to land on a "10."

"soft" is the key word in that paragraph.

Edited by DriveFor1Outta5, 13 August 2017 - 05:53 AM.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:58 AM

The idea that everyone is gorgeous in LA. One of the worlds greatest myths. It all depends where you choose to throw that tennis ball up.

 

I mean, I've seen it - there are beautiful women everywhere in that town.  It's unbelievable.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:04 AM

Amazing how many fans twist and turn in attempt to convince themselves that the latest WTF moment is actually a good thing for the team. I'm as critical of Watkins as anyone else had ever been but only a fool believes this was OBD being held hostage by a player with low "signability". This is the NFL the owners and GMs have all the leverage, throw around a few extra guaranteed dollars and players start singing tunes of praise.

It's a slap in the face to fans. "Run deep" "All in"... the next slogan should be a little more direct..."you're drunk and stupid just get in here and buy some hot dogs"

I hate to simplify things, but we will survive without Sammy. All of the Watkins fanboys will get over it. Are we Buffalo Bills fans or Sammy Watkins fans? The team comes first. We need to build a team. Team building was the purpose of this trade. No one knows whether or not we will choose the right guys to be build a winning team. That doesn't mean it's something we shouldn't try. We are not ready to be a winning team with Sammy on the roster. I don't love letting talent go, but Sammy is not going to make a huge difference in the W column.
The Whaley regime was all about style over substance. I can now see why so many Bills fans loved a losing GM. Bills fans and Buffalonians are well known for their inferiority complexes. Many of us have a need for star players/big names to be on this team. Without them we feel marginalized as if we are not on par with the elite teams. The only legitimate way to be on par with the elite teams is to win games. Maybe this trade can help us build a team that does so. Big names mean nothing when the franchise isn't winning games.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:10 AM

I used to hate L.A. but the last few times I've visited I've fallen in love.  Great food, great bars, and you throw up a tennis ball and it's going to land on a "10."

 

lol lots of eyecandy. good for a rich single boy like sammy.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:12 AM

 
I mean, I've seen it - there are beautiful women everywhere in that town.  It's unbelievable.

Looks and economic status often go hand in hand. There is a lot of money in LA, and there are 3.9 million people in the city. Of course their are a lot of beautiful women. Choose to venture away from the tourist areas and well to do neighborhoods, you will see a different story. It's not if you are genetically superior being born in LA. LA just has a lot of doctors and women with money. I have family in the inland empire. Trust me that LA's "beauty" doesn't extend very into the desert outside of the well to do areas. No different than anywhere else imo. Just a lot of wanna be actresses.

 
lol lots of eyecandy. good for a rich single boy like sammy.

Not single.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:15 AM

Looks and economic status often go hand in hand. There is a lot of money in LA, and there are 3.9 million people in the city. Of course their are a lot of beautiful women. Choose to venture away from the tourist areas and well to do neighborhoods, you will see a different story. It's not if you are genetically superior being born in LA. LA just has a lot of doctors and women with money. I have family in the inland empire. Trust me that LA's "beauty" doesn't extend very into the desert outside of the well to do areas. No different than anywhere else imo. Just a lot of wanna be actresses.
Not single.

 

Wanna be actresses is right - beautiful young women from all over the US especially the midwest move there in droves.   Most of them don't have any money and are hoping to be "discovered," so I think you're only half right.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:21 AM

 
Wanna be actresses is right - beautiful young women from all over the US especially the midwest move there in droves.   Most of them don't have any money and are hoping to be "discovered," so I think you're only half right.


Not just actresses but alot of idealists who want to break free from whatever town they grew up from. For many it's a chance to rebrand themselves into something new. Even though it is a very liberating lifestyle for many, the vast majority of my California peeps are all collectivists as well and they love that sense of community among with one another. My friends are mainly from the hippyesqe side of things but there are lots of them put there and most are transplants