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#1 GG

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:37 AM

After thinking about the possible rationales for the trade, I kept coming back to the theory that McD and Beane may be leaning towards Tyrod as the franchise QB, especially as the season rolls on.

 

So why the counter intuitive move to trade your best WR to help out your QB - which is opposite of Whaley's thinking in 2014?

 

I think that TT and Sammy never truly meshed as a combo, and one of them had to go.  Here's the third off-season between the two, and the word "chemistry" has been the one constant in the reporting of the two and not always in the positive sense.  

 

There's never any question who the go to guy is for all QBs, but that never was the case for Tyrod & Sammy.  The Bills offense fared much worse in 2015 when Percy went down than when Sammy went down.  There wasn't that much drop off in the offense with Sammy in the game vs him being out.

 

The same chemistry question popped up in 2016 and it was the first theme that reporters latched on this training camp.  That's unheard of between a QB and his top WR going into year three.  

 

Finally, Tyrod's lukewarm parting shots yesterday hint that he won't be as disappointed with Sammy's exit as the fans are.

 

This is not to say that Sammy is not an elite player who won't light it up in LA.  I'm just thinking that Bills offense may actually benefit because Tyrod may be working with a WR crew with whom he has better chemistry.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:41 AM

TT wasn't a good enough passer to fully utilize him. They were great on deep passes but there were many times he fell at out missed Sammy.

Tyrod is one of the worst passing starting qbs in the NFL. But we just took the one thing he did well passing and got rid of it. Prepare for a season of having a leading receiver with 700-600 yards.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:42 AM

After thinking about the possible rationales for the trade, I kept coming back to the theory that McD and Beane may be leaning towards Tyrod as the franchise QB, especially as the season rolls on.

 

So why the counter intuitive move to trade your best WR to help out your QB - which is opposite of Whaley's thinking in 2014?

 

I think that TT and Sammy never truly meshed as a combo, and one of them had to go.  Here's the third off-season between the two, and the word "chemistry" has been the one constant in the reporting of the two and not always in the positive sense.  

 

There's never any question who the go to guy is for all QBs, but that never was the case for Tyrod & Sammy.  The Bills offense fared much worse in 2015 when Percy went down than when Sammy went down.  There wasn't that much drop off in the offense with Sammy in the game vs him being out.

 

The same chemistry question popped up in 2016 and it was the first theme that reporters latched on this training camp.  That's unheard of between a QB and his top WR going into year three.  

 

Finally, Tyrod's lukewarm parting shots yesterday hint that he won't be as disappointed with Sammy's exit as the fans are.

 

This is not to say that Sammy is not an elite player who won't light it up in LA.  I'm just thinking that Bills offense may actually benefit because Tyrod may be working with a WR crew with whom he has better chemistry.

 

 

Sounds like the season Stafford had after Megatron left. Its possible. Positive thinking is good.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:45 AM

TT wasn't a good enough passer to fully utilize him. They were great on deep passes but there were many times he fell at out missed Sammy.
Tyrod is one of the worst passing starting qbs in the NFL. But we just took the one thing he did well passing and got rid of it. Prepare for a season of having a leading receiver with 700-600 yards.

Hey, a reciever with 700 yards is better than last year.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

 
 
Sounds like the season Stafford had after Megatron left. Its possible. Positive thinking is good.


Minus the part where we ever forced the ball to Sammy

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

Tt blows. Gonna regress even further from last years putrid passing numbers without #14

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:49 AM

 
 
Sounds like the season Stafford had after Megatron left. Its possible. Positive thinking is good.


I like positive thinking. I also have eyes and know Stafford is miles above TT as a passer. :)

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:06 AM

TT wasn't a good enough passer to fully utilize him. They were great on deep passes but there were many times he fell at out missed Sammy.

Tyrod is one of the worst passing starting qbs in the NFL. But we just took the one thing he did well passing and got rid of it. Prepare for a season of having a leading receiver with 700-600 yards.

 

Wouldn't have done much good hitting Watkins in the hands when he's on the sidelines nursing an injury.


Tt blows. Gonna regress even further from last years putrid passing numbers without #14

 

How so?  Sammy missed half the season and was probably less than 100% for the games he actually did play.  

 

It's amazing the idiotic posts I read on this board.  Too many act like upset little kids that didn't get a participation trophy.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:08 AM

TT might benefit from a receiver that can play 16 games....



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:17 PM

After thinking about the possible rationales for the trade, I kept coming back to the theory that McD and Beane may be leaning towards Tyrod as the franchise QB, especially as the season rolls on.
 
So why the counter intuitive move to trade your best WR to help out your QB - which is opposite of Whaley's thinking in 2014?
 
I think that TT and Sammy never truly meshed as a combo, and one of them had to go.  Here's the third off-season between the two, and the word "chemistry" has been the one constant in the reporting of the two and not always in the positive sense.  
 
There's never any question who the go to guy is for all QBs, but that never was the case for Tyrod & Sammy.  The Bills offense fared much worse in 2015 when Percy went down than when Sammy went down.  There wasn't that much drop off in the offense with Sammy in the game vs him being out.
 
The same chemistry question popped up in 2016 and it was the first theme that reporters latched on this training camp.  That's unheard of between a QB and his top WR going into year three.  
 
Finally, Tyrod's lukewarm parting shots yesterday hint that he won't be as disappointed with Sammy's exit as the fans are.
 
This is not to say that Sammy is not an elite player who won't light it up in LA.  I'm just thinking that Bills offense may actually benefit because Tyrod may be working with a WR crew with whom he has better chemistry.


If that's this regime's logic...they have no shot.

And I actually do think you are right, unfortunately.

They are choosing Tyrod and their system over Watkins and talent.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:28 PM

If that's this regime's logic...they have no shot.

And I actually do think you are right, unfortunately.

They are choosing Tyrod and their system over Watkins and talent.

 

We won't know until it plays out.  

 

But I can see the logical progression going like this - If one of them has to go, it makes sense to move on from Sammy despite his talent.  If Tyrod is decidedly not the guy, then you are realistically looking at 2019 as the year where the new QB starts to pan out.  In the meantime, you're spending $50 - $60 million on a star WR with an unproven QB.    

 

Even with Sammy's talent, he wasn't adding more to the wins than other pieces in Bills' offense.  Tyrod with a functioning offense does a lot more for you than Sammy with a rookie QB.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:32 PM

Losing Sammy is a big blow to TT no matter how you look at it.  Its undebatable the connection they had because TT and Sammy were highly productive together and TT clearly trusted him more than any guy on the field and would make throws to him he didn't make to others.

 

HOWEVER:  This years WR group is still substantially better than the rag tag scrubs we had last year.  So while its tough for a QB to lose a rare talent like Sammy who he clearly trusts, there is a lot more talent for him to still work with than in years past, including a true veteran pro like Boldin.  

 

So, I think TT will have plenty to work with, the only major issue is he hasn't had any where near the time with them as he had with Sammy.  Timing and trust are massively important to a QB with his WR's, so hopefully the new guys Boldin and Jordan can get a groove with him early to go along with the other new guys who have been here slightly longer.  



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:32 PM

If that's this regime's logic...they have no shot.

And I actually do think you are right, unfortunately.

They are choosing Tyrod and their system over Watkins and talent.

Yes. Sounds like what Rex did with the Jim Schwartz D.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:33 PM

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:35 PM

Tt blows. Gonna regress even further from last years putrid passing numbers without #14


THERE WAS NO 14 LAST YEAR

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:37 PM

THERE WAS NO 14 LAST YEAR

Pretty much.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

THERE WAS NO 14 LAST YEAR

This is why you aren't taken seriously.  He played some and had some good games.

 

Sammy and Jordan Matthews had the same number of games over 80 yards receiving last year.  

 

Sammy's best game was 7 rec on 10 targets for 154 yards and 1 TD.

 

Matthews best game was 7 rec on 14 targets for 114 yards and 1 TD.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

After thinking about the possible rationales for the trade, I kept coming back to the theory that McD and Beane may be leaning towards Tyrod as the franchise QB, especially as the season rolls on.

 

So why the counter intuitive move to trade your best WR to help out your QB - which is opposite of Whaley's thinking in 2014?

 

I think that TT and Sammy never truly meshed as a combo, and one of them had to go.  Here's the third off-season between the two, and the word "chemistry" has been the one constant in the reporting of the two and not always in the positive sense.  

 

There's never any question who the go to guy is for all QBs, but that never was the case for Tyrod & Sammy.  The Bills offense fared much worse in 2015 when Percy went down than when Sammy went down.  There wasn't that much drop off in the offense with Sammy in the game vs him being out.

 

The same chemistry question popped up in 2016 and it was the first theme that reporters latched on this training camp.  That's unheard of between a QB and his top WR going into year three.  

 

Finally, Tyrod's lukewarm parting shots yesterday hint that he won't be as disappointed with Sammy's exit as the fans are.

 

This is not to say that Sammy is not an elite player who won't light it up in LA.  I'm just thinking that Bills offense may actually benefit because Tyrod may be working with a WR crew with whom he has better chemistry.

 

...RODAK said this was a set up for TT to fail.....it MUST be the case......BO and MIKE know.......



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:45 PM

This is why you aren't taken seriously.  He played some and had some good games.
 
Sammy and Jordan Matthews had the same number of games over 80 yards receiving last year.  
 
Sammy's best game was 7 rec on 10 targets for 154 yards and 1 TD.
 
Matthews best game was 7 rec on 14 targets for 114 yards and 1 TD.


He had A good game. Not some. 1/16.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:46 PM

He had A good game. Not some. 1/16.

3 catches on 3 targets for 80 yards ain't half bad.

 

Neither is 4 catches on 6 targets for 54 yards and a TD.