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#61 Boatdrinks

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:35 PM

History shows that WRs rarely provide a decade of top performance. Especially the ones who don't fully commit to the craft.


SW is only 24. How would one conclude that he isn't fully committed to the craft? Runs great routes, good hands. Not training for the Olympics vs football. I'm not seeing it here, sorry.

#62 mead107

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:49 AM

Looks like it may have been bad.

#63 aristocrat

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:57 AM

2-6 with sammy last year and 5-3 without him. we might have imrpoved the team



#64 ShadyBillsFan

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:58 AM

Every thing preseason is knee jerk reaction imo

#65 BarleyNY

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:00 AM

If you could go back to this time last year, would you take a 2nd or even a 3rd for Gilmore?

  

2-6 with sammy last year and 5-3 without him. we might have imrpoved the team


Couple of good points here. I strongly suspect the posters whining about the Sammy trade won't have much to say about either.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:01 AM

2-6 with sammy last year and 5-3 without him. we might have imrpoved the team

When you depend one 1 guy who u don't use all game or he's injured
Addition by Subtraction may be the result.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:05 AM

2-6 with sammy last year and 5-3 without him. we might have imrpoved the team
When you depend one 1 guy who u don't use all game or he's injured
Addition by Subtraction may be the result.


I remember a stat that cincy is better without aj green.


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#68 dave mcbride

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:13 AM

Gerry--I disagree for a simple reason: I think the chances of them taking a QB next season (assuming the draft will be as good as everyone says it will be on the qb front) in the first round are close to 100 percent.

I think the obvious takeaway from the trades is that they know that they'll be in a dogfight to move up, and they decided to accumulate ammo in the form of high picks.

Whaley was fired, but he is friendly with the Pegulas. When he left, he said his big regret was never getting a blue chip qb becuae that's the only thing that can really turn things around. I am sure he told this to them on his way out, and I am pretty sure the message sunk in.

Tyrod is a bridge qb. If he has a good season, all the better - they'll be able to trade him for a second rounder.

Edited by dave mcbride, 20 August 2017 - 08:15 AM.


#69 nedboy7

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:13 AM

If getting rid of your best WR is good for the team shouldnt we at least get rid of Zay next? 



#70 dave mcbride

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:15 AM

I remember a stat that cincy is better without aj green.


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They are a significantly worse offense without Green. If they won more games without him, it had nothing to do with his absence. Look at the stats from last season.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:33 AM

I remember a stat that cincy is better without aj green. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Cinci does reasonably well during the season.
They are still looking for a playoff win with Dalton.
If I had a choice I'd take Dalton over Taylor

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#72 ScottLaw

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:43 AM

Gerry--I disagree for a simple reason: I think the chances of them taking a QB next season (assuming the draft will be as good as everyone says it will be on the qb front) in the first round are close to 100 percent.

I think the obvious takeaway from the trades is that they know that they'll be in a dogfight to move up, and they decided to accumulate ammo in the form of high picks.

Whaley was fired, but he is friendly with the Pegulas. When he left, he said his big regret was never getting a blue chip qb becuae that's the only thing that can really turn things around. I am sure he told this to them on his way out, and I am pretty sure the message sunk in.

Tyrod is a bridge qb. If he has a good season, all the better - they'll be able to trade him for a second rounder.


That really wasn't the reason this team lost the last few years.

The defensive coaching and system were brutal. Terry made a big mistake hiring Rex. We are already seeing the difference this preseason. Had the team retained Schwartz, and with Tyrod they are a playoff team the past two years, easy.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:53 AM

This team had a glimmer of hope to make the playoffs before the trade simply because they had not played a game.  After the trade all hope is gone.  This team will not win 6 games.

 

McD is not a young Belicheck.  If he is a young Belicheck, he will be fired and hired twice before being a decent HC.

 

Beanie destroyed any hope for the 2017 season.  He did not do it with the mindset that TT will be the franchise QB.  If he really wants to stockpile picks, trade Glenn to Seattle, TT to the Jets, and Shady to Dallas.

 

We will destroy the Jets in week one.  Week 2 the real season begins.



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:03 AM

This team had a glimmer of hope to make the playoffs before the trade simply because they had not played a game.  After the trade all hope is gone.  This team will not win 6 games.
 
McD is not a young Belicheck.  If he is a young Belicheck, he will be fired and hired twice before being a decent HC.
 
Beanie destroyed any hope for the 2017 season.  He did not do it with the mindset that TT will be the franchise QB.  If he really wants to stockpile picks, trade Glenn to Seattle, TT to the Jets, and Shady to Dallas.
 
We will destroy the Jets in week one.  Week 2 the real season begins.

Whether or not we make the playoffs rests on how good the defense is this year


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM

Gerry--I disagree for a simple reason: I think the chances of them taking a QB next season (assuming the draft will be as good as everyone says it will be on the qb front) in the first round are close to 100 percent.

I think the obvious takeaway from the trades is that they know that they'll be in a dogfight to move up, and they decided to accumulate ammo in the form of high picks.

Whaley was fired, but he is friendly with the Pegulas. When he left, he said his big regret was never getting a blue chip qb becuae that's the only thing that can really turn things around. I am sure he told this to them on his way out, and I am pretty sure the message sunk in.

Tyrod is a bridge qb. If he has a good season, all the better - they'll be able to trade him for a second rounder.


I also agree with the view that Sammys trade was to accumulate ammo for a possible trade. I think that possibility goes above 100% if Tyrod continues to struggle.

I'm trying to figure out the real rationale behind the trade, because in isolation, the swap makes zero football sense.

Will see how the rest of the preseason goes, and if Tyrod finds his dependable No. 1. I was never sold on the Tyrod Sammy combo. That's why I think they had to choose one or the other. And if it's a tie, you go with the QB.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:19 AM

That really wasn't the reason this team lost the last few years.

The defensive coaching and system were brutal. Terry made a big mistake hiring Rex. We are already seeing the difference this preseason. Had the team retained Schwartz, and with Tyrod they are a playoff team the past two years, easy.

 

well said.  the talent was there.  we wasted it. 



#77 dave mcbride

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:59 PM

 
well said.  the talent was there.  we wasted it. 


Green bay has some sort of talent and/or coaching problem every year. Yet they are always in it because they have one of the better qbs of the past quarter century.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:14 PM

To me it is just another excuse. If Tyrod can cut it he needs to be able to cut the mustard without depending on one particular player.