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#101 Woodman19

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:38 PM

The salary cap ere ensured that you can no longer build a roster " 57 players deep". You try to build an elite starting lineup (especially starting QB ) and hope not too many guys get hurt.

So the salary cap reduced the level of talent in the league? It just reduced the money spent and made the game younger and more athletic.

#102 OldTimeAFLGuy

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:49 PM

Give me a break with the fans won't stand for it stuff. Fans are fans and love their team. They get frustrated at times but they love their teams.

And if you only give the GM and HC two years you're just perpetuating the same shortsighted approach that got us in this mess.

 

...EXACTLY....and the ONLY attractive part for attempting to attract incoming GM or HC talent is sign 'em to a five year deal and they'll know it includes three years' paid vacation ...makes perfect sense, right?..



#103 reddogblitz

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:09 PM

Tanking is a waste of time. If all it took was sucking to become a powerhouse then teams like the Browns or Clippers would be champions by now. You don't develop a winning culture by tanking.


How about Jacksonville? They did a full on tank 4 years ago including taking a QB at #3.

4 years later, they still suck and have Coach Moron for a HC. LOL. Let's do that.

#104 Rico

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:22 PM

People are still upset about the Sammy trade, huh.

He has the stench of Whaley failure all over him. Even if he finally pans out in LA, his absence will not break this season.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:53 PM

So the salary cap reduced the level of talent in the league? It just reduced the money spent and made the game younger and more athletic.


No, it made it tougher to retain your players and therefore affected depth. For example, the 90's Bills had quality backups due to strong drafting in middle to late rounds. Not surprisingly, those players were some of the first signed by other teams when FA first began. So teams are now forced to rely more on less expensive ( younger ) players as depth rather than veterans experienced in that team's system. It has affected depth, but I doubt that it reduced money spent. I'm pretty sure it has increased the percentage that is going to the players.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:36 PM

 

 

Fans can stuff it up their yoohoo.. Time for ownership to stick with a coach and GM through the thin. if fans want to B word and moan.. Who cares..  At this point we have to get assets for any player that won't be here after next season. More then likely this season is going to be tough to handle and 7-9 records are counter productive to any long term goal

 

The Bills have been lucky recently because a few things have fallen their way that have cushioned fan disappointment to continuously fielding a crappy team, most notably the change in ownership and the hiring of Rex Ryan, both of which boosted ticket sales.  Now, the Bills are peddling the idea that they've turned over a new leaf.  Again, that's going to boost ticket sales -- and don't kid yourself that a team like the Bills isn't attuned to paid attendance.  Making a profit is nice, but making a larger profit is even better.

 

IMO, there's not much "new" about the Bills current leaf at all.  It bears a depressing resemblance to the leaves under Williams, Mularkey, Jauron, Gailey, and Marrone. In other words, the team seems to be operating the same it's been operating since Wade Phillips, John Butler, and AJ Smith went west.  The names of the GMs, coaches, and players have changed but the fundamentals of "the Bills way" for the last 16 years remain the same.  For neophytes, the basic tenets of "the Bills way" include ...

  • Draft defense over offense in the first two rounds.
  • When drafting offense in the first round, pick DBs, WRs, and RBs 'cause they're cheaper.
  • Do not pay premium $$ to keep even All Pro DBs, WRs, RBs because new ones can always be had in the draft.
  • Do not tolerate any player calling "Foul!" at something that OBD has done.
  • Character counts more than talent and production.
  • Pay 1 or 2 fan favorites to keep the fans happy ... and counteract the idea that the Bills don't re-sign their own stars.
  • Periodically bring in a big name for big $$$ to excite fans when they threaten to become jaded by continuous losing seasons.  Alternatively, draft a QB in the first round even if there's no real QB talent available in the draft when you decide to do this.
  • Hire HCs with modest credentials because they're a whole lot cheaper than hiring a HC with lots of winning seasons on his resume.
  • Maximize the "wait 'til next year" mentality by winning at least 7 games, so that the fans remain hopeful.  If the fans become restless, fire the coaching staff and be sure the next guy has an entirely different philosophy on offense and defense so that you can shed good veterans through FA or trades in the name of "he doesn't fit the system". 
  • When in doubt,cry poverty ... and blame the salary cap.

 



#107 Woodman19

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:49 PM

No, it made it tougher to retain your players and therefore affected depth. For example, the 90's Bills had quality backups due to strong drafting in middle to late rounds. Not surprisingly, those players were some of the first signed by other teams when FA first began. So teams are now forced to rely more on less expensive ( younger ) players as depth rather than veterans experienced in that team's system. It has affected depth, but I doubt that it reduced money spent. I'm pretty sure it has increased the percentage that is going to the players.

not the Bills depth, we can't even put out 22 quality starters let alone locking up excellent backups.

#108 kdiggz

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:55 PM

McBeane is building a TEAM, not collecting talent!  it will take 2-3 years to get "their" guys.  prepare to stink at least until then



#109 Niagara Dude

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:55 PM

A Bills fans heart on game day will be saying win. However, winning will be contrary to the strategic

goal of having the best position in the 2018 draft to obtain a franchise QB. Perhaps the same for 

McDermott. I'm sure he's aware that to be a great NFL coach you have to have a great QB.

I am ok with a bad year to increase the chances of finally getting a real franchise QB,  too many bad seasons have passed and QB has always been the major problem.



#110 Bill_with_it

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:59 PM

People are still upset about the Sammy trade, huh.

He has the stench of Whaley failure all over him. Even if he finally pans out in LA, his absence will not break this season.

A few more people need to read or re-read this post.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:48 PM

A few more people need to read or re-read this post.

I mean, really. The crowning achievement of Lil Doug (chump of all chumps). Oh noes, Sammy's gone, whatever will the Bills do now :(



#112 McNubbins

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:54 PM

Just think of how set the next regime will be when they've had two solid years of McBean high draft picks!  :w00t:



#113 Formerly Allan in MD

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:51 PM

It's a revelation.



#114 Bill_with_it

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 10:02 PM

I mean, really. The crowning achievement of Lil Doug (chump of all chumps). Oh noes, Sammy's gone, whatever will the Bills do now :(

Oh I agree.

#115 Thurman#1

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 10:08 PM

A Bills fans heart on game day will be saying win. However, winning will be contrary to the strategic

goal of having the best position in the 2018 draft to obtain a franchise QB. Perhaps the same for 

McDermott. I'm sure he's aware that to be a great NFL coach you have to have a great QB.

 

 

 

For coaches and players there is no such thing as a tank. None. McDermott will be working as hard as he possibly can to win, knowing that a coach's future job prospects rest on how good his team looks and he looks coaching them.

 

Will Beane maybe have to crush a smile when they lose a close one this year? Yeah, maybe. But not McDermott.


How about Jacksonville? They did a full on tank 4 years ago including taking a QB at #3.

4 years later, they still suck and have Coach Moron for a HC. LOL. Let's do that.

 

 

 

This is very logical. If one example of something didn't turn out well, it clearly proves that ever doing it under any circumstances is not a good idea.

 

Oh, and there is no such thing as tanking in football. Rebuilding, yes. Tanking, nope, because the coaches and players have far far too much on the line to not do their absolute best.



#116 Marty McFly

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:55 PM

Or you tank and be able to get the QB for less, so you can actually get better talent on this team.
Yep, sent PM  :-)


Have you seen our roster and how our offensive players match the scheme? Its gonna be a natural tank. 4-12 to 7-9. Blegh.